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Message 1367873 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 14:10:43 UTC

Rather than exceeding the speed of light within its local frame of reference, a spacecraft would traverse distances by contracting space in front of it and expanding space behind it, resulting in effective faster-than-light travel.

But that theory requires the existence of Exotic Matter, which we don't have!



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Message 1367886 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 14:44:36 UTC

This Makes Interesting Reading ...
.. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_factor
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Message 1367979 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 23:31:26 UTC

Very interesting thanks . I do like the revamped crew And they chose the perfect actor for Spook can't wait till it is out on dvd .
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Message 1368065 - Posted: 15 May 2013, 6:08:34 UTC

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.
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Message 1368076 - Posted: 15 May 2013, 6:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 1368065.

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.


Me too Dewoody we are both getting a bit old to wait for the boffins to figure a cheap way to get us all in space
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Message 1368322 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 2:12:11 UTC - in response to Message 1367814.

Even assuming that some sort of FTL speed warp drive was invented, how do you protect the occupants of a craft from the G forces that would be involved in accelerating from rest? We've all seen the Star Trek opening sequences, going into warp drive, why weren't they all squashed to jelly?


Star Trek and Star Wars both point to an inertial dampening system. But again, that's completely science fiction at this point obviously. What's cool is some sort of space warping theories that were once (well, still are) sci-fi are being explored.

Who knows what the future holds :D

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Message 1368325 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 2:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 1368076.

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.


Me too Dewoody we are both getting a bit old to wait for the boffins to figure a cheap way to get us all in space


maybe we will have time to comeback as a baby till then
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Message 1368350 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 4:37:59 UTC - in response to Message 1367716.

This one of my earlier posts so please tell me again that I don't understand what Quantum Entanglement is even if I could not explain it scientifically
Yes Einstein did say that God does not play dice with the Universe,
to which someone replied,
Stop asking God.
I have no idea what you're babbling about half of the time, if not more.
So in the vein of babbling i posit this,
at the moment of the Big Bang,
all of space, time, energy, and maybe no matter, was condensed within a Planck Unit of Space-Time and here we be.
Surely all of space-time is entangled on a quantum level given its origin.
And what ...i have no idea.
Please enlighten me.

WTH is your problem?
Glenn clearly has trouble expressing himself to us, but it seems pretty clear he has tried to learn some things, pass on what he's learned, and then learn some more, including from us.
Aren't you the guy who's profile said a month ago that you're from Zambia and how you were going to stop posting and crunching, followed by a brief lament about those who have disappeared?
Well, keep it up. Maybe you can help a few more disappear.

Sarge you're a funny guy!
i've never attacked anyone without provocation, though i do admit that my rebuttals were seldom conciliatory, and most often escalated the animosity.
You on the other hand seem to think you're a peacekeeper who can jump in anywhere, anytime, and take a read on who or what is right.
Sorry Dude You're not a Mod.
I'm not really sure people appreciate YOU budding in where ever you please because You think people are too weak to stand up for themselves.
People here can take care of themselves.
Keep it in the high-school.
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Message 1368419 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 11:22:56 UTC - in response to Message 1368065.

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.


Funny that.
The Higgs Boson has just been verified.
There may be another 3-4-x number of Higgs Bosons in the making.
The conditions for suppression of the Higgs Field Communication may illuminate itself from this entangled miasma.

Suppression of the Higgs Field, if at all possible, would entail a zero inertia associated with mass.
I'm not sure what the implications of this would be , but i'm guessing they would be rather speedy. lol.

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Message 1368434 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 13:11:20 UTC - in response to Message 1368419.

Not sure how identifying the Higgs Boson will relate to research on warp drives but if it does, as they found more questions than answers, I'll be glad the research has some practical implications.
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Message 1368467 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 15:17:53 UTC
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Since the Higgs confers mass on matter, controlling it could mean isolating a relatively small area, as around a space vessel, from the effects of gravity and inertia, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the universe. This sounds very like a space warp of sorts. How this could be applied to space travel isn't altogether clear. Does a zero mass surrounded by what is essentially an infinitely greater mass (normal space) truly create a space warp? If so, it might be possible to make this warp asymmetrical, effectively compressing space in the direction of travel, and expanding it in the reverse direction. This would presumably result in effective (global) speeds speeds greater than that of light, without violating the principles of relativity theory. (The vessel remains at zero velocity with respect to the space immediately surrounding it.)

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Message 1368579 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 19:07:15 UTC - in response to Message 1368467.

Since the Higgs confers mass on matter, controlling it could mean isolating a relatively small area, as around a space vessel, from the effects of gravity and inertia, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the universe. This sounds very like a space warp of sorts. How this could be applied to space travel isn't altogether clear. Does a zero mass surrounded by what is essentially an infinitely greater mass (normal space) truly create a space warp? If so, it might be possible to make this warp asymmetrical, effectively compressing space in the direction of travel, and expanding it in the reverse direction. This would presumably result in effective (global) speeds speeds greater than that of light, without violating the principles of relativity theory. (The vessel remains at zero velocity with respect to the space immediately surrounding it.)


That sounds more like what has been proposed as a warp drive . I'm thinking if the higgs field gives matter mass then a electromagnetic field surrounding the ship would stop the higgs field from giving matter mass hence a form of anti gravity .Which would fit what I have herd how the so called UFO engines work that are supposed to be at Area 51 dreamland
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Message 1368650 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 21:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1366482.

Going "quantum" allows the potential for nearly infinite compute capability in that in the quantum world, you can 'test' all possible solutions simultaneously. Sort of the ultimate in parallel computation...

The only problem is that there seems to be only one 'secret' machine ever sold to work quantum magic. There is also a theoretical problem in that if the Canadian quantum machine really did work, then the theory of holographic representation of physical state for our universe would be violated...


Whichever way, we would get some very 'interesting' results!


Well, much to my surprise, D-Wave have sold their second machine:

Google and NASA acquire a D-Wave quantum computer


Anyone care to or might be able to explain that one?!


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Message 1368678 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 23:33:16 UTC - in response to Message 1368350.
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I'm impressed!

D-Wave has moved on to 512 Q-bits.
Back in the days when D-wave still asked for Boinc computing cycles a 128 q-bit WU was a rarity, and paid a nice Boinc credit dividend.
They must have realized that their technology was valid and didn't need further digital validation.

I'm guessing that D-wave probably has a 1024 2048 4096 Q-bit prototype in the works.
So to decrypt 512 bit encryption all they'd have to do is turn the sucker On. Bingo here's your answer.
It's awfully nice of the military-industrial complex to let NASA and GOOGLE have a crippled technology when the NSA and "Homeland Security" can already decrypt anything digitally encrypted.

Ooh when can i get me a Quantum computer? i want me "Fractal Quantum Encryption".
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Message 1368729 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 4:28:48 UTC

Here is theregister.co.uk version:
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Message 1368737 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 5:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 1368729.

Here is theregister.co.uk version:
D-Wave 2
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hehehehe guess that settles the question now can we go back to WARP DRIVES that is what this thread is about
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Message 1368758 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 5:58:00 UTC - in response to Message 1368729.

As El Reg has pointed out, the D-Wave machine isn't, strictly speaking, a quantum computer of the type that could be used to crack the world's encryption systems. Rather it uses quantum effects to massively speed up the processing and optimization of data.


i'm sure the NSA is keeping all the goodies for themselves.
The real world gets a "Quasi-Quantum" computer.
And how is this different from a "Real Quantum" computer.
My guess is that as you drive the operating temperature down the efficiency goes up exponentially.
A slow Adiabatic Quasi-Quantum Computer may still be better than a whole mess of silicon attempting a digital iteration of the best Algorithms money can buy.

As technology drives the spacing between Q-bits smaller, the operating temperature closer to zero, and the ability to read quantum states without interference, the closer we get to a real Quantum Computer.
In the near term we may have to settle for Quasi-Quantum.
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Message 1368767 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 6:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1368737.
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Here is theregister.co.uk version:
D-Wave 2
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hehehehe guess that settles the question now can we go back to WARP DRIVES that is what this thread is about

Hi Glenn!
All's well i hope?
As a retired auto-worker i make no claim to special insight,
but,
there are some who posit that the Holographic Principal entails that each, and every, bit of information in the Universe can be encoded.

There may be a bit wise encoding on every Planck Unit of space-time.
What with String Theory claiming 11 dimensions and no-one knowing much of anything,
how absurd would it be to simply rewrite the positional encoding for a
sector of space-time and that sector would be somewhere else in the next unit of Planck Time.

I'd call that Warp Drive, but it may only be available to God.

Where's that d#mn quantum computer when you need it?
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Message 1368772 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 6:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 1368767.

Here is theregister.co.uk version:
D-Wave 2
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hehehehe guess that settles the question now can we go back to WARP DRIVES that is what this thread is about

Hi Glenn!
All's well i hope?
As a retired auto-worker i make no claim to special insight,
but,
there are some who posit that the Holographic Principal entails that each, and every, bit of information in the Universe can be encoded.

There may be a bit wise encoding on every Planck Unit of space-time.
What with String Theory claiming 11 dimensions and no-one knowing much of anything,
how absurd would it be to simply rewrite the positional encoding for a
sector of space-time and that sector would be somewhere else in the next unit of Planck Time.

I'd call that Warp Drive, but it may only be available to God.



I don't where to start with that post so please watch this first episode 3 and 4

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fabric-of-cosmos.html
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Message 1368794 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 7:30:20 UTC - in response to Message 1368772.


I don't where to start with that post so please watch this first episode 3 and 4

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fabric-of-cosmos.html


Thank you Kind Sir.

i've watched all the links you provided a long time ago.

The "Through the Worm Hole" series hosted by Morgan Freeman is probably the most
all inclusive presentation available on physics that i've found.

After watching the videos you recommended what did you expect, that i would understand?

I'm with Daddio and Feynman on this

"Richard Feynman, in The Feynman Lectures on Physics, vol III, p. 18-9 (1965)
I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. "
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