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Message 1367807 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 10:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 1367779.  

I tend to agree with you on a FTL system when they get the LHC going again and find out how and the Higgs field does what it's suppose to do there mite be a way to get around it.

I recently heard of a experiment that some boffins where doing measuring how fast neutrino's where traveling from I think it was a galaxy and they found one of two neutrino's had travelled faster than light and has thrown a spanner in the works for physicists and no I don't know how they measured this but does make you think that FTL mite be possible in a another couple of decades .

Tullio have you heard anything about that and weather they stuffed up there calculations ?

Yes, the faster than light neutrinos measured at Gran Sasso National Laboratories were simply the result of a measurement error due to a faulty cable. The neutrinos from the 1987A supernova arrived before the photons simply because neutrinos escape more easily from a supernova core than photons.
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Message 1367823 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 11:56:13 UTC

Thanks Chris and Tullio that was what I was talking about.

Now all we gotta figure out is like Chris said how to stop being squished when the captain says Engage...
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Message 1367856 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 13:42:23 UTC

If memory serves, when Alcubierre worked out his theory for a real space warp, some years ago, it showed that those riding inside the warp would not be affected by inertia or time dilation effects.
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Message 1367886 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 14:44:36 UTC

This Makes Interesting Reading ...
.. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_factor
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Message 1367979 - Posted: 14 May 2013, 23:31:26 UTC

Very interesting thanks . I do like the revamped crew And they chose the perfect actor for Spook can't wait till it is out on dvd .
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Message 1368065 - Posted: 15 May 2013, 6:08:34 UTC

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.
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Message 1368076 - Posted: 15 May 2013, 6:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 1368065.  

I hope some super genius finds the answer, presuming there is one, to creating a means of "warping" space for the purpose of powering "starships" using power that is within our means of generating. I also hope it is done before I die but I'm not holding my breath.


Me too Dewoody we are both getting a bit old to wait for the boffins to figure a cheap way to get us all in space
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Message 1368322 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 2:12:11 UTC - in response to Message 1367814.  

Even assuming that some sort of FTL speed warp drive was invented, how do you protect the occupants of a craft from the G forces that would be involved in accelerating from rest? We've all seen the Star Trek opening sequences, going into warp drive, why weren't they all squashed to jelly?


Star Trek and Star Wars both point to an inertial dampening system. But again, that's completely science fiction at this point obviously. What's cool is some sort of space warping theories that were once (well, still are) sci-fi are being explored.

Who knows what the future holds :D

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Message 1368434 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 13:11:20 UTC - in response to Message 1368419.  

Not sure how identifying the Higgs Boson will relate to research on warp drives but if it does, as they found more questions than answers, I'll be glad the research has some practical implications.
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Message 1368467 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 15:17:53 UTC
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Since the Higgs confers mass on matter, controlling it could mean isolating a relatively small area, as around a space vessel, from the effects of gravity and inertia, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the universe. This sounds very like a space warp of sorts. How this could be applied to space travel isn't altogether clear. Does a zero mass surrounded by what is essentially an infinitely greater mass (normal space) truly create a space warp? If so, it might be possible to make this warp asymmetrical, effectively compressing space in the direction of travel, and expanding it in the reverse direction. This would presumably result in effective (global) speeds speeds greater than that of light, without violating the principles of relativity theory. (The vessel remains at zero velocity with respect to the space immediately surrounding it.)
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Message 1368579 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 19:07:15 UTC - in response to Message 1368467.  

Since the Higgs confers mass on matter, controlling it could mean isolating a relatively small area, as around a space vessel, from the effects of gravity and inertia, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the universe. This sounds very like a space warp of sorts. How this could be applied to space travel isn't altogether clear. Does a zero mass surrounded by what is essentially an infinitely greater mass (normal space) truly create a space warp? If so, it might be possible to make this warp asymmetrical, effectively compressing space in the direction of travel, and expanding it in the reverse direction. This would presumably result in effective (global) speeds speeds greater than that of light, without violating the principles of relativity theory. (The vessel remains at zero velocity with respect to the space immediately surrounding it.)


That sounds more like what has been proposed as a warp drive . I'm thinking if the higgs field gives matter mass then a electromagnetic field surrounding the ship would stop the higgs field from giving matter mass hence a form of anti gravity .Which would fit what I have herd how the so called UFO engines work that are supposed to be at Area 51 dreamland
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Message 1368650 - Posted: 16 May 2013, 21:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1366482.  

Going "quantum" allows the potential for nearly infinite compute capability in that in the quantum world, you can 'test' all possible solutions simultaneously. Sort of the ultimate in parallel computation...

The only problem is that there seems to be only one 'secret' machine ever sold to work quantum magic. There is also a theoretical problem in that if the Canadian quantum machine really did work, then the theory of holographic representation of physical state for our universe would be violated...


Whichever way, we would get some very 'interesting' results!


Well, much to my surprise, D-Wave have sold their second machine:

Google and NASA acquire a D-Wave quantum computer


Anyone care to or might be able to explain that one?!


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Message 1368729 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 4:28:48 UTC

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Message 1368737 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 5:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 1368729.  

Here is theregister.co.uk version:
D-Wave 2
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hehehehe guess that settles the question now can we go back to WARP DRIVES that is what this thread is about
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Message 1368772 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 6:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 1368767.  

Here is theregister.co.uk version:
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hehehehe guess that settles the question now can we go back to WARP DRIVES that is what this thread is about

Hi Glenn!
All's well i hope?
As a retired auto-worker i make no claim to special insight,
but,
there are some who posit that the Holographic Principal entails that each, and every, bit of information in the Universe can be encoded.

There may be a bit wise encoding on every Planck Unit of space-time.
What with String Theory claiming 11 dimensions and no-one knowing much of anything,
how absurd would it be to simply rewrite the positional encoding for a
sector of space-time and that sector would be somewhere else in the next unit of Planck Time.

I'd call that Warp Drive, but it may only be available to God.



I don't where to start with that post so please watch this first episode 3 and 4

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fabric-of-cosmos.html
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Message 1368889 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 12:45:33 UTC - in response to Message 1368729.  
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Here is theregister.co.uk version:
D-Wave 2

For The Register for such a device, that is a rather muted article!

Here's the take from the BBC which is somewhat more informative:


Nasa buys into 'quantum' computer

A $15m computer that uses "quantum physics" effects to boost its speed is to be installed at a Nasa facility.

It will be shared by Google, Nasa, and other scientists, providing access to a machine said to be up to 3,600 times faster than conventional computers.

Unlike standard machines, the D-Wave Two processor appears to make use of an effect called quantum tunnelling.

This allows it to reach solutions to certain types of mathematical problems in fractions of a second. ...

... Instead, D-Wave Systems has been focused on building machines that exploit a technique called quantum annealing - a way of distilling the optimal mathematical solutions from all the possibilities...




So in there is the critical description: "quantum annealing".

So... Rather than being a 'quantum computer' as is commonly described, it is actually a clever device to use very fast annealing to perform parallel computations/searches. The "Effectively, it can try all possible solutions at the same time and then select the best" is exactly that: "effectively", but not actually simultaneously.

Searches are made/computed just as simulated annealing is already used in computing. The 'new' 'quantum' aspect is that quantum tunneling is utilised to perform the annealing using a fast physical device. All very fast and no mean feat.

However, I think that calling that a "quantum computer" is stretching the Marketing description a little too far... There are no multidimensional Schrodinger cats in there.


Still, rather an interesting if a rather expensive fast device to perform searches using physical/simulated annealing.

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Message 1368929 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 14:50:38 UTC

I think the subject of quantum computers should have it's own thread as it seems there are two discussions going on here. Quantum computers may only be relevant to warp drive as a means to either calculate how to construct one or if constructed to control the drive.
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Message 1368932 - Posted: 17 May 2013, 14:57:46 UTC - in response to Message 1368929.  

I think the subject of quantum computers should have it's own thread as it seems there are two discussions going on here. Quantum computers may only be relevant to warp drive as a means to either calculate how to construct one or if constructed to control the drive.


Yep I agree with you mate
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Message 1369358 - Posted: 18 May 2013, 15:23:16 UTC - in response to Message 1368929.  

I think the subject of quantum computers should have it's own thread as it seems there are two discussions going on here. Quantum computers may only be relevant to warp drive as a means to either calculate how to construct one or if constructed to control the drive.
I concur.
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Message 1369467 - Posted: 18 May 2013, 20:55:59 UTC

the D-Wave Two processor appears to make use of an effect called quantum tunnelling.


That's the way any semiconductor works.
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