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Message 1372115 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 8:29:59 UTC

We should step back and look calmly at the situation before making any decision.

Of course we should, and a sensible approach. But like any other typical bulletin board you will always get people that will immediately react emotionally to any situation, out of anger, before calming down and thinking rationally, and sometimes not even then. That is the reason they are active in forums in the first place, because they can rant and rave in anonymity, without risking a punch on the nose in public, and calling attention to themselves..

I see that they have now arrested 5 suspects for conspiracy to murder, so possibly they may have wiped out a terror cell that could have killed even more. Another reason why the original two were incapacitated rather than killed. As I said before dead men can't give any information. Apart from which their followers would have claimed via propaganda that they died for their cause. 30 years in prison, in solitary confinement to avoid them being beaten up, is a far better deterrent. It is now known that both men were Nigerian, one of the most corrupt countries in the world, a perfect background for fledgling fanatics.

Personally I would rather live in a country where only the fanatics are armed than be caught in the crossfire.

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Message 1372158 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 13:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 1372105.

At present we cover such threats by fast response units of specially trained officers.


Yeah, like Wednesday... 16 minutes!

When we had a Police Force there were more than sufficient boots on the ground!
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Message 1372185 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 15:23:05 UTC

Political correctness gone mad....

...fortunately, it's not us, but the Yanks!

Hey Yanks, get your own broadcasting in order before you complain about another country's!

Discriminate, Discrminate

So that's the type of oddballs you have in your colleges & universities, no wonder the US is at odds with itself!
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Message 1372246 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 20:14:19 UTC

Continuing the discussion here as its detracting from the Europe thread.

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Thank God then that you're not serving on the bench!

So you would prefer this type of humour....Wish You was here

What a beautiful display of "Lead by Example"!
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Message 1372254 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 20:27:04 UTC

TERFOR

"The source stressed that Mr Cameron was ‘aware of the importance of avoiding a kneejerk reaction,’ and added: ‘This new group will study the issue in great depth before acting."

For Christ's Sake, just WTF has been going on in government departments since 9/11?

"Study in Depth? Really? Just how many academics with no understanding of what goes on in the "real" world will be involved?

How many quangos will be set up to study this in depth?

Next thing we'll see is Del-boy running the country via smartphone from his holiday hideaway in Bermuda!
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Message 1372264 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 20:42:03 UTC

The er "Mail online" again, just look at the right hand bar to see what they really care about, and it is NOT factual reporting.

Saving the best for last! Hollywood goddess Uma Thurman stuns in classic satin gown on the red carpet at the Cannes Film Festival closing ceremony

When flip flops just don't cut it! Tulisa gets it ALL wrong at Marbella spray party as she teams tiny white bikini with skyscraper stiletto heels

Now that's va va voom: Nicole Scherzinger stuns in her racy cutaway dress at the Monaco Grand Prix

The Bieber salute! Justin pulls up his top to show off his washboard abs AGAIN... as his garish new leopard print car is revealed


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as Britain faced its biggest terror crisis since the 7/7 bombings in 2005.


Biggest, how about "only". I assume the police and security services can operate without the prime minster for week or so? Obviously Ibiza doesn't have any modern communications that mean he could be in touch with however he needs instantly.


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Message 1372266 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 20:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1372264.

Only goes to show what your mind focuses on when reading online.
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Message 1372273 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 21:26:09 UTC

Only goes to show what your mind focuses on when reading online.

Oh my what a pathetic response!

A third of the page is given over to the sidebar, it's a bit difficult NOT to notice it.

Your making excuses for the gutter press you use as you main source of "news"

I can see there is no arguing with you.

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Message 1372280 - Posted: 26 May 2013, 22:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 1372273.

With all the posts I've made that contain links, I think you'll find that its evenly spread out amongst the many that are available. To home in on one like you & Taffy seem to do all the time, seems to be a petty attempt at labelling.

Nothing new then is there?
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Message 1372381 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 7:24:46 UTC

Thank God then that you're not serving on the bench!

It would be remarkable if I was. That just shows again how little you know about local and National government.

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You must at least 18 years old to apply. Magistrates retire from the bench at the age of 70 and the Lord Chancellor normally expects a period of five years’ service before retirement. He will not generally appoint anyone who is aged over 65.


..Wish You was here

Any PM's diary is full up to 18 months ahead with International meetings, foreign trips, PMQ, Cabinet, receptions at No.10, general visits etc which take precedence. Any family breaks have to be slotted in where they can, and will have been planned months in advance. In addition wherever the PM is in the world, he will have 24/7 instant access to other world leaders, the White House, and the Cabinet back home. He will also receive daily briefings on home and world affairs, some holiday. Given his current location he could be back in the UK within 6 hours if necessary. Of course his enemies will sieze this opportunity to denigrate him, and leading it will be the Mail. Personally, weighing up all the odds, I wouldn't have gone, I'd have taken a few days off at Chequers instead, but I am sure he would have taken advice on it.

For Christ's Sake, just WTF has been going on in government departments since 9/11?

Don't be so naive, if you were to be told that they'd have to shoot you afterwards!

"Study in Depth? Really? Just how many academics with no understanding of what goes on in the "real" world will be involved? How many quangos will be set up to study this in depth? Next thing we'll see is Del-boy running the country via smartphone from his holiday hideaway in Bermuda!

We really are giving our working class predjucies and chips on shoulders full rein this weekend aren't we?

I can see there is no arguing with you.

Exactly Bernie, as I commented earlier. When he is in this sort of cantankerous mood, there is just no point in trying to hold any sort of sensible conversation with him. You can tell he is out of his depth and on the back foot when he resorts to childish name tags like Taffy. Probably something to do with the full moon last Friday I expect, or given his age, hormones. But I will say that although I detest the flamboyant headlines and their style of reporting, the Mail site is a good source of current news stories, provided you leave out the Mails slant on it. But simply quoting other peoples articles with a couple of sarcastic comments, is not what most people would class as adult discussion.


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Message 1372499 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 16:39:55 UTC - in response to Message 1372381.

It would be remarkable if I was. That just shows again how little you know about local and National government.
How naïve of you.

Any PM's diary is full up to 18 months ahead with International meetings, foreign trips, PMQ, Cabinet, receptions at No.10, general visits etc which take precedence. Any family breaks have to be slotted in where they can, and will have been planned months in advance. In addition wherever the PM is in the world, he will have 24/7 instant access to other world leaders, the White House, and the Cabinet back home. He will also receive daily briefings on home and world affairs, some holiday. Given his current location he could be back in the UK within 6 hours if necessary. Of course his enemies will sieze this opportunity to denigrate him, and leading it will be the Mail. Personally, weighing up all the odds, I wouldn't have gone, I'd have taken a few days off at Chequers instead, but I am sure he would have taken advice on it.
gotta give you that one

Don't be so naive, if you were to be told that they'd have to shoot you afterwards!
Very melodramatic

We really are giving our working class predjucies and chips on shoulders full rein this weekend aren't we?
how quaintly British that is....

Working class? Try these for size.....

Growing up in racist Britain



Not much has changed then in 50 years, has it!

Wasn't it the English that labelled people & made fortunes on the stage by ridiculing them? Jocks, Taffy's, Paddy's as well as other derogatory labels for other nationalities not suited to be mentioned here?

So labelling me childish seems to be a little premature don't you think Taffy? I believe the English still refer to Welshmen as Taffy's!

You demand to be known as an Englishman so accept that many still see you as a racist nation, until that changes for the better, accept it in good grace like the rest of us that were labelled!

BTW, I was at Argon Road again this morning with the same officers on duty in the area. When they saw the above post they remarked: -

Is that guy for real? Now you gotta keep them laughing by giving a cracking laughable reply to this post so that I can show them it on Wednesday morning!

FYI, both officers were White & English & just before I drove off site, one remarked: - We have to deal with all sorts but guys like him we'd love to take behind the barracks. I didn't stop laughing until I hit the M11.
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Message 1372541 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 19:36:14 UTC
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Wasn't it the English that labelled people & made fortunes on the stage by ridiculing them? Jocks, Taffy's, Paddy's as well as other derogatory labels for other nationalities not suited to be mentioned here?

I believe it was mainly the British troops in WWII that labelled people in that way including froggies for the French, and others best not mentioned.

So labelling me childish seems to be a little premature don't you think Taffy? I believe the English still refer to Welshmen as Taffy's!

Yes they do as do most other people as well. It comes from the Welsh river Taff which flows through Cardiff, and the nickname has been in use since the 1750's. As I have mentioned before, my parents were evacuated to North Wales during WWII, and I was born there at the end of the war. We re-located to back to London when I was 6 months old, and I have lived there ever since. My family background on both sides is mainly English, apart from a great great great Grandfather on my dads side who apparently was a lay Preacher in County Mayo in the early 1800's. If it amuses to call me a taffy I have no particular objection, there is a tenuous connection.

BTW, I was at Argon Road again this morning with the same officers on duty in the area. When they saw the above post they remarked: -

Is that guy for real? Now you gotta keep them laughing by giving a cracking laughable reply to this post so that I can show them it on Wednesday morning!

FYI, both officers were White & English & just before I drove off site, one remarked: - We have to deal with all sorts but guys like him we'd love to take behind the barracks. I didn't stop laughing until I hit the M11.

As before I would be quite interested to speak to these officers either in person, via letter, or email. Perhaps when you see them on Wednesday you could get some details or arrange something. I'm assuming that the location is the Lea valley Trading Estate, which I could get to fairly easily via the M25.

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Message 1372593 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 22:34:10 UTC

PLAY NICE FOLKS...Or KEEP IT OFF of the Boards!!!

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Message 1372595 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 22:38:59 UTC

Unless one is born with a silver spoon in their mouth, one has to WORK for a living!


My father worked till he was 65 as a commercial traveler, then with money saved he brought a small shop and worked hard for 15 years till he retired and would be highly insulted to be called "working class"

I spent 22 years working for BT. For the last 12 years I worked as an engineer, I also own the flat I live in and I would also be horrified to be called "working class" as I do not believe in class, so it's a matter of perspective. Means nothing unless you care about a totally worthless system.

I just know I am gonna love the reply, oh by the way I have red x these posts as you should not really mention places on a public forum.
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Message 1372670 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 6:44:10 UTC

Bernie, I suspect we will never be a classless society but one thing that has
changed over the years is the way class is defined today. Up and too quite
recently your level of wealth went a very long way in setting your class level.
Now this has much changed because so many of the upper classes have not got the
level of wealth like they had years ago but find themselves equally matched in
numbers by those of the working class who do have superior wealth to them. Today
it is more of a social connection/education background that's sets your class
classification....but it really does help though if you can talk with a plum in
your mouth and adopt a double-barrel surname. My favourite quote, "Those who
talk with plum in mouth often think with prune in head"©


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Message 1372702 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 9:16:58 UTC

In theory anyone that receives a salary or wage works for a living, but that is not the same as "working" class. Traditionally there used to be 6 social classes, based on Education, family background, jobs, income, lifestyle, and social standing.

Royalty - Kings, Queens, Princes
Aristocracy - Lords, Ladies, Viscounts
Upper class - Judges, Chairman, MD's, Directors
Middle class - Bank managers, Senior managers
Lower Middle class - white collar workers, junior management
Working class - blue collar & manual workers

Under the old system me, Bernie, and his dad would likely have been Lower middle. I always thought that there should have been two working class grades, Working class and technical working class. i.e. working class = labourers, technical working class, skilled machinists and draughtmen. And in any case it is quite normal to progress to a higher class, as you get promotion, improve yourself and further your career.

These days we also have Social grades

A - High managerial, professional
B - Intermediate managerial and professional
C1 - Supervisory, junior managerial
C2 - Skilled manual workers
D - Semi & unskilled manual workers
E - State pensioners and unemployed

And of course the latest survey with 7 classes . Here is a link to test yourself. I came out as Technical middle class, which I would have said was too high, and should be more near the traditional rating. classes As Bernie says, these days class is really irrelevant anyway. I know a local builder who has a big house, nice car and is never short of money, but is a total uncouth oaf. I also know a lovely couple in their 60's who have a small terrace house as neat as a pin, beautifully tended front and rear gardens, well educated, that survive on state pensions and a small occupational one. In terms of wealth and possessions the builder beats them hands down, in terms of "class" they clearly win out.

I also think that the circles that you feel happy and confident to socialise in is just as important as anything else. I've never met any royalty and probably never will, but I have chatted to a Baroness. I regularly come into contact with JP's, Mayors, MP's, Bank Managers, retired Directors etc and am totally at ease. I can also quite happily chat to a couple of brickies from the local council estate over the pub. Me, I'll chat to anyone over a drink!

Nick is right in that who you know is sometimes more important than what you know. If you went to Oxbridge or Eton, it does open doors for you in the old boys network, that are closed to others. These days it is seen as elitist, but cast your mind back to Bletchley Park in WWII where most of the cleverest minds were almost exclusively recruited from the Cambridge University circuit. Not only did they have fine minds, but they were judged as having the "right" family background and being the "right sort of chap" for that work. And by god it worked to, shortened the war by 2 years and saved countless lives.

Double barrelled surnames these days have lost all the previous cachet they might have had, and are just seen as totally passe. John Smith gets married to Lucy Brown and they decide to become the Smith-Browns because they think it looks posh on cheque books. Meanwhile everyone else thinks of them as a total pair of pratts! And just wait until their kids get to school!

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Message 1372708 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 9:37:56 UTC

oh by the way I have red x these posts as you should not really mention places on a public forum.

Bernie, I have this morning already informed the Mods that in my view, the details given are so sketchy as to be of no beneficial use. But I have also confirmed that if they want to remove another post of mine, then I would have no objection to them doing so. In addition, I am also quite happy that Jim_S removed the posts that he previously did. I will make no apologies to anyone for posting them, they were deserved, but I also have no problem in accepting the judgement. If that marks my card then so be it, it will be considered worth it, and a badge of honour.

OK, lets move on, nothing more to see here folks.

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Message 1372713 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 10:11:55 UTC - in response to Message 1372702.

That link you gave, classifies me as Established Middle Class, UUUUH, didn't see that one coming.

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Message 1372720 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 11:04:12 UTC

Well there you go look, us Brits have always brought a touch of class to this place :-) See you at Tiffin, TTFN

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Message 1372963 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 6:30:35 UTC
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Royalty - Kings, Queens, Princes
Aristocracy - Lords, Ladies, Viscounts
Upper class - Judges, Chairman, MD's, Directors
Middle class - Bank managers, Senior managers
Lower Middle class - white collar workers, junior management
Working class - blue collar & manual workers


but cast your mind back to Bletchley Park in WWII where most of the cleverest minds were almost exclusively recruited from the Cambridge University circuit. Not only did they have fine minds, but they were judged as having the "right" family background and being the "right sort of chap"

At times they do have their uses so long as you put them in the right job.
Thank goodness WW2 did not involve all-out trench war, goodness knows what
carnage this lot would have reaped again.

I baggsie being of Royalty class since I am a Royalist and think our Queen is
really GREAT!!...What say you, Chris??..Well, we have taken control of the
Isle of Wight so that must have moved us a few rungs up the social classes
ladder.
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