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Message 1357281 - Posted: 15 Apr 2013, 17:51:09 UTC

Didn't want to take any other thread off on a tangent.

Have we reached the stage where there are now too many non-medical personnel running hospitals & making decisions that affect the actual purpose of the hospitals just so that they can show profits for their benefit rather than patients benefits?

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Message 1357306 - Posted: 15 Apr 2013, 19:32:44 UTC

If there is truly any sin at all, then perhaps bureaucratizing is humanity's worst sin.

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Message 1357484 - Posted: 16 Apr 2013, 9:51:36 UTC

Have we reached the stage where there are now too many non-medical personnel running hospitals & making decisions

In the exact terms of that copied "part statement" I would entirely agree. That was done by successive governments because it was seen a long time ago, that leaving medical staff in charge of finances was causing the NHS to lose millions each year. Each to his own, let medics treat, let managers manage. But as Sirius quite correctly points out, the pendulum has now swung to far the other way.

Oh gosh, another trip to his GP for more pills ... :-)

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Message 1357545 - Posted: 16 Apr 2013, 14:23:47 UTC

Here in the states that how its been for quite a few years. The bean counters rule the roost.
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Message 1357632 - Posted: 16 Apr 2013, 22:43:16 UTC - in response to Message 1357545.

Here in the states that how its been for quite a few years. The bean counters rule the roost.

The bean counters are the insurance people, but everyone must have insurance. There are times I don't understand my fellow man.

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Message 1357670 - Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 4:43:36 UTC

When asking my insurance about a second opinion, I have many times been told that the clerk at the end of the phone was giving me that second opinion.
Nothing at all new here. Insurance companies decide on the care we receive, not only what they will pay for.
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Message 1357704 - Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 6:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1357281.

Didn't want to take any other thread off on a tangent.

Have we reached the stage where there are now too many non-medical personnel running hospitals & making decisions that affect the actual purpose of the hospitals just so that they can show profits for their benefit rather than patients benefits?

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In a word. YES
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Message 1357720 - Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 8:35:14 UTC
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The bean counters rule the roost

In times of recession and belt tightening, that is not unusual, but you have to strike the right balance. Don't waste a consultant surgeons time deciding upon the colour of the canteen curtains, but don't either let a hospital adminstrator tell a surgeon to cut down on the use of of scalpels.

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Message 1377171 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 22:03:51 UTC

It won't be long before it becomes deadly to even enter a hospital as you won't come out.....

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Message 1377178 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 22:16:02 UTC - in response to Message 1377171.

It won't be long before it becomes deadly to even enter a hospital as you won't come out.....

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This sort of thing has been happening for many years, I worked in hospital wards for 12 years. There are many reasons this sort of thing happens, both management and not all nurses are angels!

This is hardly the first case like this and will not be the last.


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Message 1377181 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 22:17:25 UTC - in response to Message 1377178.

It won't be long before it becomes deadly to even enter a hospital as you won't come out.....

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This sort of thing has been happening for many years, I worked in hospital wards for 12 years. There are many reasons this sort of thing happens, both management and not all nurses are angels!

This is hardly the first case like this and will not be the last.



Exactly, so it doesn't bode well then for their profession!
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Message 1377185 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 22:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1377181.

It won't be long before it becomes deadly to even enter a hospital as you won't come out.....

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This sort of thing has been happening for many years, I worked in hospital wards for 12 years. There are many reasons this sort of thing happens, both management and not all nurses are angels!

This is hardly the first case like this and will not be the last.



Exactly, so it doesn't bode well then for their profession!

I do believe things have changed for the better over the years, but because of the explosion in "news media" more of the cases get highlighted. News media need to have hundreds of news stories every day, so bad stories about the NHS are high on the agenda.
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Message 1377388 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 10:59:17 UTC

And nowhere more prevalent that the Waily Fail!

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Message 1377394 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:15:40 UTC - in response to Message 1377388.

And nowhere more prevalent that the Waily Fail!



A lot better than listening to politicians way past their sell by dates!
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Message 1377404 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:29:33 UTC

One could say that you have well passed your own "Best before date" as well. Oh hang on a minute folks, I have just seen the label on Sirius's back "Display until 05/13", so we should be spared any more from him then :-)

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Message 1377406 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:31:07 UTC - in response to Message 1377404.
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Naw, just back from the pub with a label saying best before 2021.....


...A.D...hic
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Message 1377412 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:43:43 UTC

Naw, just back from the pub with a label saying best before 2021.....

...A.D...hic

Pull the other one, you nicked that off Sarah the barmaid when she wasn't looking!

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Message 1377414 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:46:33 UTC - in response to Message 1377412.

Naw, just back from the pub with a label saying best before 2021.....

...A.D...hic

Pull the other one, you nicked that off Sarah the barmaid when she wasn't looking!



Oh, she was looking all right & liked what she saw.........
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Message 1377418 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:50:37 UTC

Yes I know she did, she texted me and told me it was the 25 years younger bloke sitting behind you with the Telegraph and the BMW, instead of an artic rig and the Mail!!!



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Message 1377420 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 11:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1377418.

Yes I know she did, she texted me and told me it was the 25 years younger bloke sitting behind you with the Telegraph and the BMW, instead of an artic rig and the Mail!!!


...that's funny, she texted me saying she prefers those under 60!
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