Stop groaning about your tax burden while supporting tax cuts to the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites. SHEESH

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Corporations don't pay tax. Never have, never will. The people who buy stuff from corporations pay tax.

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Stop groaning about your tax burden while supporting tax cuts to the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites. SHEESH

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Corporations don't pay tax. Never have, never will. The people who buy stuff from corporations pay tax.

Even the guy from Zambia responding to Dull yesterday knew that.

Corporations don't pay tax. Never have, never will. The people who buy stuff from corporations pay tax.

I am tired of hearing that line Gary. That's like saying citizens don't pay taxes because they receive their income from an employer who must pay them enough to allow them to afford taxes.

If corporations don't pay taxes, why do the selfish bastards keep lobbying to drive their tax contributions down?
Why do they move to tax havens? Why do they move their head office to Dubai?

Mark is making squeaking noises about his tax burden, which, before Reagan started his war on working people, was a much smaller percentage of total government revenue. He, and everyone else who isn't in the high income bracket, pays more because the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites pay less.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Stop groaning about your tax burden while supporting tax cuts to the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites.

The Pigs and Pampered are The Takers/Entitlement Vacuumers/Grant Eaters/Aid Addicts/Bacon Lovers and Other Peace Prize Pitiful Voters/Takers Of US Dough of The USA. This would include Foreign Peoples and Countries Slopping at The US Taxpayer Trough.

Time For The USA to Collect Protection Monies from The Protected.

Oink. Follow Da Bacon.

Bound For It.

The Takers are Big Oil, General Electric and every other corporate entity that actually receives tax subsidies from the public teet.

Entitlement Vacuumers are the same group.

Grants are such a small portion that you are stretching the limits to try and make a case.

Aid addicts are your corporate farms and equipment makers who actually receive the "so called" foriegn aid.

The rest of this post is nonsense.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

He, and everyone else who isn't in the high income bracket, pays more because the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites pay less

Again. How is a check of $1000 paid to The IRS 'Paying More' than $1,000,000 paid to The IRS?

The $1,000,000 Check Writer would Likely Think, "Stay Off MY ROADS, QUIT DRINKING MY CLEAN WATER, BREATHING MY CLEAN AIR, USING MY GOVERNMENT SERVICES, etc., since The $1000 Check Writer ain't Paying For Diddly with His/Her Contribution(LOL).

Man 'O Live.

Paid For It. And.

Bound For It.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Rob by the sounds of it you Canadians seem to have a simular view to us in ozzieland about health care ,social security I wonder if it cause we are both commonwealth country's the best political system of all the systems (have I open a can of worms here .......ops)

come on guys take the bait.........

it mite be a good laugh

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Corporations don't pay tax. Never have, never will. The people who buy stuff from corporations pay tax.

I am tired of hearing that line Gary.

The truth hurts.

That's like saying citizens don't pay taxes because they receive their income from an employer who must pay them enough to allow them to afford taxes.

I guess self employment isn't something permitted in your country

If corporations don't pay taxes, why do the selfish bastards keep lobbying to drive their tax contributions down? Why do they move to tax havens? Why do they move their head office to Dubai?

Funny, I didn't know the BOD's were paid in dividends. If they were they would have to pay taxes on them.

You have misidentified the selfish bastard.

You asked Why? So they can sell cheaper so they make more units of stuff. As they make more units of stuff they can automate and lay off the real selfish bastards, the union worker. They move their production as far away from the union as they can, to where labor is cheap. They move their office to a tax haven because the selfish bastards that get dividends demand it. It is called a fiduciary duty to the shareholder. Who makes laws like this?

Who gets dividends? Pension plans. Who has pension plans? Unions! Now you know who the selfish bastard is. You see him every morning in the mirror.

I have yet to see a piece of paper pay a tax. It would be a neat trick for it to do so. Heck I have never seen one even open a checking account.

Humans do these things, including making laws. It is humans that pay taxes, not pieces of paper. A corporation is nothing but a piece of paper.

It isn't hard to move a piece of paper. As your law requires it to make the most it can, you require it to move to the country with the lowest tax rate on the planet.

Stop ignoring the obvious. Now go strangle that guy in the mirror as his left hand behind his back is why you have to pay taxes from your right hand.

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LOL
I don't know about the parliamentary system being the best Glenn.
We have a very right wing conservative government presently in power here in Canada.
They support Big Oil and deny global warming while making plans for arctic shipping lanes which will be open due to the loss of ice.
They pulled out of the Kyoto Accord, which was signed by the previous governing Liberal Party.
They've just pulled out of the UN desertification talks which is another way of denying global warming.
Many members of the federal cabinet are known to be religious, speaking in tongues fanatics and certain religious groups have direct access clearance to the office of the Prime Minister, which is astounding. That level of access is usually reserved for CEO's and other big shots with pockets full of money.
They are buying weapons like crazed warlords.

All this, in a parliamentary system where they received 38% of the vote in the last federal election which gave them a majority of seats.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

It's reported than more than 50 BILLION dollars will be required to support the illegals that voted for Obama and his amnesty shall require.

"Illegals" are allowed to vote in the US?
I'm bringing every lefty I can find and we're voting in the next US federal election.

And the odds are very good that you'll get away with it, too.

And I'll repeat the story of how the 55 year old white guy in the voting line just ahead of me left because they told him he needed photo i.d. I'll bet he never came back. I'll bet he planned on voting for Romney. How could he not know Romney & friends wanted him to supply i.d.?

Gary, gee, I thought corporations were now people.

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I have yet to see a piece of paper pay a tax. It would be a neat trick for it to do so. Heck I have never seen one even open a checking account.

The problem one encounters when trying to discuss issues like this with people like you Gary, is everything you say is twisted around itself so tightly that it becomes too much a bother to even try to understand.

I'll try just a little with this one comment of yours.

The piece of paper you refer to is in fact a multi billion dollar self contained organization, with no public accountability for what goes on inside it's boardroom.
Having both agreed to this, we have to also agree that your belief that this piece of paper cannot pay taxes should also work in the reverse.
The piece of paper should also be unable to pay shareholders, CEO's, board members, employees and various suppliers, contractors, etc...
But somehow, it does. The piece of paper performs the very act you say is impossible.
Oh, and how does this piece of paper make most of these payments you ask?

Good question. It sends a cheque.
Yes. Another impossibility happening right before your eyes.

While it seems you are very wrong about the ability of the piece of paper to cut cheques or pay taxes. I encourage you to keep working on your argument until it holds water.
Good luck with that.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Having both agreed to this, we have to also agree that your belief that this piece of paper cannot pay taxes should also work in the reverse.

And it does. It simply sits in a safe.

The piece of paper should also be unable to pay shareholders, CEO's, board members, employees and various suppliers, contractors, etc...
But somehow, it does. The piece of paper performs the very act you say is impossible.

The piece of paper does none of those things. Humans do them.

And you were so close to understanding, but you got caught not understanding what a corporation is. A corporation is a piece of paper with writing and some official stamps upon it. It sits inanimate in a safe. Its purpose is to memorialize a fiduciary duty between humans. One of the official stamps upon it authorizes, or grants license, from the government - of the people, by the people, for the people (sounds like humans) - to the fiduciary duty or trust, to use a name and conduct business with a limitation on liability to the humans owed the fiduciary duty. From there humans do it as they are the only things on the planet capable of paying taxes. Well at least until the dolphins get a seat at the UN.

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I have yet to see a piece of paper pay a tax. It would be a neat trick for it to do so. Heck I have never seen one even open a checking account.

The problem one encounters when trying to discuss issues like this with people like you Gary ...

Your problem, Robert, is, like the people on the right who castigate those who do not toe their line, you do it from the left. To me, it is very clear Gary is an intelligent person who does not toe much of any line and is certainly no troll. When you or ML1 say such things to him, it does not help those trying to make sense of the things they read here and trying to make decisions. Further, it makes it a lot harder to tell who the true "trolls" are.

Having both agreed to this, we have to also agree that your belief that this piece of paper cannot pay taxes should also work in the reverse.

And it does. It simply sits in a safe.

The piece of paper should also be unable to pay shareholders, CEO's, board members, employees and various suppliers, contractors, etc...
But somehow, it does. The piece of paper performs the very act you say is impossible.

The piece of paper does none of those things. Humans do them.

And you were so close to understanding, but you got caught not understanding what a corporation is. A corporation is a piece of paper with writing and some official stamps upon it. It sits inanimate in a safe. Its purpose is to memorialize a fiduciary duty between humans. One of the official stamps upon it authorizes, or grants license, from the government - of the people, by the people, for the people (sounds like humans) - to the fiduciary duty or trust, to use a name and conduct business with a limitation on liability to the humans owed the fiduciary duty. From there humans do it as they are the only things on the planet capable of paying taxes. Well at least until the dolphins get a seat at the UN.

Corporations are not a piece of paper. The paper is simply the medium on which the rules of incorporation are written.
It's this line of thinking that allows the corporate pigs to escape responsibility for their acts of aggression toward the environment, government and the people.

This line of escaping responsibility is the result of selfish and greedy humans writing into law the ability to protect themselves from being held accountable for their own actions.

As you've stated here, humans do indeed control what happens as a corporation.
The corporation is a human invention. The corporation is a business model and subject to human rules.
If those human rules dictate that corporations will pay high taxes, then damn it, corporations will pay high taxes.

Just as they did before Reagan. Just as the wealthy pampered elites did before Reagan.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Rob you telling me you don't have compulsary voteing in Canada !!
gasp shock horror

And for those Americans that think compulsory voteing was introduced by Labour (Democrates) I can inform you it was those bloody Liberals (Republicans) but it backfired on them they still lost the first election after it came in
Now the bloody Pr$%ks wont to get rid of it and be like the states.

And all because J.W.B (freaking jerk) won with only 32% of the vote

Kill all Liberals

Liberals are only good for F65king things up

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Funny how people blame the left or the right for all the problems of the world. Whats funny is the left AND right are bought and wholly owned by the big companies and even international companies. Neither left or right run a person picked by the population itself, what we see is just a dog and pony show. Reckon you all missed Eisenhower's warning of the military industrial complex.?.

A lot of our problems stem from the unhooking of gold from our dollar and the deal made with the middle-east on hooking oil to our dollar.

But, this is how it really got started, jekyll island 1913.

We really haven't had a real government that reflected the will of the people since 1913. This year was the year we tossed the Constitution under the bus along with our freedoms. I can simply confirm this by stating that Washington D.C. was just named to number 1 city for cash flow, D.C. has outstripped the silicon valley. Ironic since D.C. makes nothing wouldn't you say?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
- Thomas Jefferson

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Funny how people blame the left or the right for all the problems of the world. Whats funny is the left AND right are bought and wholly owned by the big companies and even international companies. Neither left or right run a person picked by the population itself, what we see is just a dog and pony show. Reckon you all missed Eisenhower's warning of the military industrial complex.?......

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
- Thomas Jefferson

ID. You hit the nail square on the head.

Politics these days has been reduced to a completely stage managed circus, much like football (pick your own favourite code). Both sides have their rusted on followers, who with varying degrees of fanaticism, claim "their" side is the only one to follow and any new team that wants to join the league is prevented by the prohibitive costs.

In the end, however, we all know that whatever side is in, nothing much really changes.

T.A.

This line of escaping responsibility is the result of selfish and greedy humans writing into law the ability to protect themselves from being held accountable for their own actions.

Ah, the admission that only humans pay taxes.

Once you understand this, you can craft your legislation to properly mold the fiduciary duty to have the human characteristics of care and giving, which the cold legal ethics forbids.

In any case you must admit that whatever taxes are imposed are just passed on to the customers. Price increases are what is called inflation.

I am so glad you are calling for inflation in a time of high unemployment. I believe the term is misery index. Now what presidential campaign ...

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Rob you telling me you don't have compulsary voteing in Canada !!
gasp shock horror

And for those Americans that think compulsory voteing was introduced by Labour (Democrates) I can inform you it was those bloody Liberals (Republicans) but it backfired on them they still lost the first election after it came in
Now the bloody Pr$%ks wont to get rid of it and be like the states.

And all because J.W.B (freaking jerk) won with only 32% of the vote

Kill all Liberals

Liberals are only good for F65king things up

You're post is confusing.
You have referred to JWB. I suppose you mean Jorge ... errr, George W. Bush?
If so, Bush, a liberal?!?
I am sure part of this confusion is different names in different countries, but here in the USA, GWB was/is a member of the Republican party, a conservative.

Funny how people blame the left or the right for all the problems of the world. Whats funny is the left AND right are bought and wholly owned by the big companies and even international companies. Neither left or right run a person picked by the population itself, what we see is just a dog and pony show. Reckon you all missed Eisenhower's warning of the military industrial complex.?......

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
- Thomas Jefferson

ID. You hit the nail square on the head.

Politics these days has been reduced to a completely stage managed circus, much like football (pick your own favourite code). Both sides have their rusted on followers, who with varying degrees of fanaticism, claim "their" side is the only one to follow and any new team that wants to join the league is prevented by the prohibitive costs.

In the end, however, we all know that whatever side is in, nothing much really changes.

T.A.

On the other hand, this thought of his is nothing new. Look at the Politics forum from 5-6 years ago.