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Message 1351677 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 2:39:43 UTC

Over 150 rounds fired in less than 5 min. That's a lot of fire power from one guy.
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Message 1351703 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 5:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 1351677.

I figure that if someone needs 30 round mags to defend their house, they are as likely to hit something they really don't want to....

Message 1351705 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 5:14:10 UTC

I figure that if someone needs 30 round mags to defend their house, they are as likely to hit something they really don't want to....


Never Defended A House Before, have YOu? Or A Neighborhood? Town? Anything?

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We Will Defend with Our Brains. With Our Wit. With Our Compromise. With Diplomacy. With COMMON GROUND.

With A Speech. With A TELEPROMTER.

DON'T TELL OTHERS HOW TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

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Message 1351824 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 15:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 1351705.


Never Defended A House Before, have YOu? Or A Neighborhood? Town? Anything?

From Destruction?


What sort of country do you live in??? I didn't realise I was taking my life into my own hands everytime I crossed the border.

If its that bad you should consider moving to Brixton, one of the roughest parts of the UK where I lived for nearly 20 years. Never needed a gun to protect myself though. If where you live is so bad, you should move there. Its clearly safer.
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Message 1351831 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:09:15 UTC

Don't worry Es, we wouldn't let him in the country. The UK Border Agency might be pretty incompetent, but even they would refuse entry to known psychotics.

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Message 1351839 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 1351831.

Don't worry Es, we wouldn't let him in the country. The UK Border Agency might be pretty incompetent, but even they would refuse entry to known psychotics.


That part might be true But I seem to recall some terroists were let in.
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Message 1351849 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:51:14 UTC

Sadly that is true, which is why the BA has been declared not fit for purpose and is being scrapped.

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Message 1351853 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:57:43 UTC - in response to Message 1351849.

Sadly that is true, which is why the BA has been declared not fit for purpose and is being scrapped.

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That wasnt a knock at the UK Chris. We here in the US have been able to keep the terrorists out since 9-1-1 But We have our share of homegrown nutjobs..
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Message 1351854 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:58:23 UTC - in response to Message 1351824.

If where you live is so bad, you should move there. Its clearly safer.

I'm sure it is. Here for many jail is safer and a better environment. Hard to enforce the law when that is the case.


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Message 1351869 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 17:23:18 UTC

@James - I know mate and I didn't take it as that. It was fair comment.

@Gary -

Here for many jail is safer and a better environment. Hard to enforce the law when that is the case.

Over here we have the same situation but mainly for economic reasons, not physical safety. If you're a society dropout with a criminal record, no education, and no chance of getting a job, then its a lot easier to trangress yet again, and get a free roof over your head with 3 meals a day. It's a way of life for too many, and we are paying our taxes to support it.


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Message 1351891 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 18:23:50 UTC - in response to Message 1351849.

Sadly that is true, which is why the BA has been declared not fit for purpose and is being scrapped.

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Not fit for purpose, I suspect it did exactly what the then Government wished
it to do, when formed, and that was to let the maximum amount of migrants in,
via the back door, to feed a market hungry for cheap labour.

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Message 1351903 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 19:06:06 UTC

150 rounds in 5 minutes is nothing. Consider a semiautomatic weapon as was used can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. I assume he wasn't just pulling the trigger at random and made some attempt to aim. That being said a 30 round clip could be fired off in about 5-10 seconds. reloading takes 5-10 seconds without much practice. So he could have done a whole lot more damage in the same amount of time had he just let loose and fired freely. Not saying he should have but he could have.
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Message 1351906 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 19:10:00 UTC

Don't worry Es, we wouldn't let him in the country. The UK Border Agency might be pretty incompetent, but even they would refuse entry to known psychotics.


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Message 1351949 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 20:51:39 UTC - in response to Message 1351903.

150 rounds in 5 minutes is nothing. Consider a semiautomatic weapon as was used can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. I assume he wasn't just pulling the trigger at random and made some attempt to aim. That being said a 30 round clip could be fired off in about 5-10 seconds. reloading takes 5-10 seconds without much practice. So he could have done a whole lot more damage in the same amount of time had he just let loose and fired freely. Not saying he should have but he could have.

Still a lot of fire power for one person.
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Message 1351976 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 22:36:24 UTC - in response to Message 1351903.

150 rounds in 5 minutes is nothing. Consider a semiautomatic weapon as was used can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. I assume he wasn't just pulling the trigger at random and made some attempt to aim. That being said a 30 round clip could be fired off in about 5-10 seconds. reloading takes 5-10 seconds without much practice. So he could have done a whole lot more damage in the same amount of time had he just let loose and fired freely. Not saying he should have but he could have.

An expert with speed loader just might have been able to do it with a six shooter.

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Message 1351980 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 22:50:05 UTC

I would ask you this. If you had to defend your home and family would you like an empty magazine or a full one? Id like a full one. Not a damn 5 round one not a damn 10 round one, I want a 30 round one with back ups just in case.

Even cops who are well trained miss the guy whos shooting at them. And not all hits are man stoppers.

Its not the law abiding you should fear its the crimimal or whackjob who could care less about laws, But the do gooders wont send to prison or mental health facillity.
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Message 1351983 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 23:00:29 UTC - in response to Message 1351980.

Jim since it has been many years since I qualified as a marksman, and I have no interest in wasting the time to get current. If I were in that situation my preferred device would be a shotgun.
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Message 1351987 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 23:20:30 UTC - in response to Message 1351983.

Jim since it has been many years since I qualified as a marksman, and I have no interest in wasting the time to get current. If I were in that situation my preferred device would be a shotgun.

Would you like a single shot or a 8 shot pump?
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Message 1351991 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 0:17:00 UTC - in response to Message 1351987.

For defense I think a pump would be better, but an over and under has better balance.
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