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Message 1350413 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 6:14:28 UTC - in response to Message 1350408.
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If some nut case wants to kill someone, not having access to a gun wont stop them from hurting or killing someone. However if some nutcase want to try hurting me or someone i care about, me having a gun can prevent that much better then an axe, knife, hammer, wrench, or even a circular saw. "Forget the dog, Beware the owner" and yes i have shot someone breaking into my place, and luckily it was long enough ago that the media didn't blame me for shooting the poor misunderstood felon that broke into my place at 1am.

So where were all the gun owners defending their families at Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech or Blacksburg or Dekalb or ....?

Defence of your home and family is a totally different kettle of fish to mass murder.

If I was defending my home, my weapon of choice would be a shotgun rather than an AR15. So much easier to handle in the dark when I'm still bleary eyed.

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Message 1350417 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 6:29:37 UTC - in response to Message 1350408.

If some nut case wants to kill someone, not having access to a gun wont stop them from hurting or killing someone.

Agreed, but not having access to a gun certainly limits the potential number of casualties and stops sneak attacks from the tops of buildings or other hideouts.

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Message 1350419 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 6:58:47 UTC

A couple of corrections on the article ID linked to in the outset.
Switzerland, while sitting in the midst of a number of EU member countries is not a member. So does not have to adopt any law from that august body. It does however adopt, voluntarily, laws that it likes the look of, are good for Switzerland. Most, but not all of the adopted laws are to do with trade, a few to with "social justice".

Also, referring to a later post Switzerland is a very recent member of the Schengen agreement. Again this is on a voluntary basis, so they could pull out without affecting the agreement, but they have no power to vary the agreement as it stands between the rest of the states within the agreement. I happen to agree with you, the Schengen agreement might sound to be a "good idea", but it is proving to be a big headache to administer - particularly when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants within the EU.
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Message 1350461 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 9:11:42 UTC - in response to Message 1350417.

If some nut case wants to kill someone, not having access to a gun wont stop them from hurting or killing someone.

Agreed, but not having access to a gun certainly limits the potential number of casualties and stops sneak attacks from the tops of buildings or other hideouts.

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not really, a person with half a brain and 50 buck and go down to local hardware stores, grocery stores, feed stores and other easily accessable stores and purchase innocent legal items and in less then a day come up with something that would wipe out 100's of people. and not even be within 100 miles of the place when the damage was done. and this is not just true int the US it is also true through out the EU

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Message 1350502 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 14:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1350461.

not really, a person with half a brain and 50 buck and go down to local hardware stores, grocery stores, feed stores and other easily accessable stores and purchase innocent legal items and in less then a day come up with something that would wipe out 100's of people. and not even be within 100 miles of the place when the damage was done. and this is not just true int the US it is also true through out the EU

Ok, sure, there are a zillion ways to kill people, and this is fairly common knowledge. Just pick your quantity.

But it is also common knowledge that when they get that tingling urge, most psychos DO NOT go to a hardware store or rural suppliers, they go to a gun shop. You can waltz around the point as much as you like but you can't deny that fact.

Why do they do this ? I don't know. Maybe it's because they want to prove that they are not a loser who only has $50 to spend, maybe it's because they don't want to get their hands dirty mixing chemicals or maybe it's just because they think guns are sexy.

I am not anti-gun, I accept the defence of home and family argument and I have no problems with sporting shooters and hunting. But, no-one can be with their family 24/7 in order to provide them with an armed escort everywhere they go. Even if you could, walking down the street with a loaded AR15 over the shoulder is bound to attract a lot of unwanted attention.

This is why I am in favour of reasonable restrictions on the sale and ownership of high powered weapons, registration of the gun and owner and maybe having to get a permit to purchase seem quite reasonable to me. It's to protect my family that I feel this way.

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A point I think you missed, in Australia, you have to be a registered farmer or miner before you can buy more than a small quantity of certain chemicals and you have to provide proof of registration, identification and sign for them. I would not be surprised if similar laws are in effect in the US as you definitely more "terrorist concious" over there than we are.

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Message 1350577 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 17:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 1350419.

A couple of corrections on the article ID linked to in the outset.
Switzerland, while sitting in the midst of a number of EU member countries is not a member. So does not have to adopt any law from that august body. It does however adopt, voluntarily, laws that it likes the look of, are good for Switzerland. Most, but not all of the adopted laws are to do with trade, a few to with "social justice".


Ah, I did not know and assumed it was a member. Nothing wrong with laws that are good for a country.

I hate the words---"social justice".

Also, referring to a later post Switzerland is a very recent member of the Schengen agreement. Again this is on a voluntary basis, so they could pull out without affecting the agreement, but they have no power to vary the agreement as it stands between the rest of the states within the agreement. I happen to agree with you, the Schengen agreement might sound to be a "good idea", but it is proving to be a big headache to administer - particularly when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants within the EU.


It look large and unwieldy. We have the same problem with illegal immigrants.
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Message 1350581 - Posted: 25 Mar 2013, 17:50:14 UTC - in response to Message 1350413.

If some nut case wants to kill someone, not having access to a gun wont stop them from hurting or killing someone. However if some nutcase want to try hurting me or someone i care about, me having a gun can prevent that much better then an axe, knife, hammer, wrench, or even a circular saw. "Forget the dog, Beware the owner" and yes i have shot someone breaking into my place, and luckily it was long enough ago that the media didn't blame me for shooting the poor misunderstood felon that broke into my place at 1am.

So where were all the gun owners defending their families at Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech or Blacksburg or Dekalb or ....?

Defence of your home and family is a totally different kettle of fish to mass murder.

If I was defending my home, my weapon of choice would be a shotgun rather than an AR15. So much easier to handle in the dark when I'm still bleary eyed.

T.A.


My friend, you don't know about firearms. The AR-15 is much more easy to handle then the shotgun. The AR-15 is my home defense weapon of choice, 30 round mag. I put a lot of thought into ammo and it will not go outside of my home and into another.
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