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Message 1348451 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 12:19:37 UTC

A certain two posters appear to advocate the pursuit of business and 'The Rule of Law' in all forms without scruples and without morals or any sense of 'fairness'...

Good, bad, nastily ugly, or just the way of the modern world?


Has the USA become not The Land of the Free (enjoying freedom), but instead the land of whoever can pay lawyers to argue their case and whoever can afford to bribe congress to steer the laws so that lawyers can argue their (business) case more easily (more cheaply).

Is this all a game of Neoliberalism, soured with monopolistic totalitarianism where anything and everything is 'acceptable' to make a financial profit? All without any scruples or morals? Where even personal freedoms are sold off?


There are ever more brazen examples of 'lobbied for' laws to restrict everyone's freedoms for the sake of propping up or even creating 'business practices'. To avoid a quagmire, for just one example there is "Hollywood" that via lobbying is in effect creating ever more draconian vaguely broad laws open to 'interpretation' that likely already has made all and everyone using the internet, or viewing or listening to media, vulnerable to being labeled a new felon... Indeed, thousands of people have already been literally randomly sued (successfully extorted) of thousands of dollars each rather than face yet greater expense in trying to argue in a USA court.

(Aside: Is that also a logical 'free market' extension to what is already done in the movie industry of 'making the books' so that for 'accounting purposes', no 'accountable profit' is made?... And so no tax or royalties need be paid... Regardless of whoever might be in effect getting 'defrauded'...)


Is that in the USA, and for the world, a world to be wanted?

Only in the USA?
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ps: Curiously in the Wikipedia article for "Hollywood", there is a section detailing the "Rise of the home video market", however, there is no mention of the "Rise of the Internet"...

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Message 1348458 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 12:55:29 UTC

And a certain one poster claims that the law is bad so its ok to steal whatever you like.

I am all for putting theives of any kind behind bars. Im also for morals and scruples in Business.

The CEO of Enron had neither. Nor did Bernie Madoff. They both got what they deserved.

Or do you think different?
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Message 1348774 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 17:40:42 UTC

I think its how you are raised also. I was taught that one worked for what they wanted. You didnt steal and you didnt buy stolen goods.

When I was newly made Sgt. In the Air Force with a wife and two kids. Money was real tight. Christmas dinner was fried eggs and toast. But when I cashed my paycheck the casher gave me back twice the amount my check was for. Now $180.00 was a lot of mney back in 1976. My wife wanted to keep it. I took the money back in the bank and told the cashier she overpaid me. She was glad as she would have had to pay it back. I was glad as I had no guilt and my wife was mad. ( Now the EX wife )

I dont download free music unless the site says it is free. ( like Itunes ) I dont buy pirated copys of movies either.

Guess Im old fashioned.
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Message 1348816 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 19:07:24 UTC

When are The People, Who Do It Right and Always Do The Right Thing, going To Start Their Own Country?

There will be No Illegal Aliens entering Such A Place.

No One with A Black Heart and Black Intent.

No Jails. No Police. No Rules. No Regulations. Such A Place would Need None.

The People Would Be Pure.

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Message 1348831 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 19:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1348816.  

Well when you get there, let us know, for I can't find any place like that here on this planet!
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Message 1348847 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 19:59:34 UTC - in response to Message 1348831.  

Well when you get there, let us know, for I can't find any place like that here on this planet!

In a monastery, nunnery, kibbutz, or such?...

Then find or make your own suitably undisturbed island... :-)

Until the latest Vikings then come to rampage... :-(


Further thoughts later...

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Message 1348880 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 20:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 1348774.  

She was glad as she would have had to pay it back.

Perhaps in 1976, IIRC today's labor laws forbid that.

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Message 1348898 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 22:22:27 UTC - in response to Message 1348451.  

A certain two posters appear to advocate the pursuit of business and 'The Rule of Law' in all forms without scruples and without morals or any sense of 'fairness'...

Of course the rule of law applies, just don't forget this is one of the rules of law. Otherwise we have an anarchy of lawlessness and disorder, where it is every man for himself; one where the Japanese whalers would self justify in using deadly force to repel Sea Shepard. Such an anarchy is without any morals or scruples, but you call for it saying it has more than the rule of law.

If you don't agree with the law tough, it is the law, you must obey it. Just because you don't agree that there should be a law preventing you from taking that nice diamond ring from the store because you really, really want it, you still must obey the law. The same applies to a copyright that prevents you from downloading a journal.

You can work to change the law, but you don't pick up arms and wage war on others as long as civil or diplomatic channels are open. If you do, you are a terrorist, by definition. No matter how frustrating, no matter how glacial the pace, you are never justified in taking up arms as long as another option is available.

Talk about lack of morals and scruples ...
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