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Message 1346779 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:45:35 UTC

Why is it that although The 'Elapsed Time' is Counting down, that the 'Remaining (Estimated) Time' Column is Counting Upwards ?
at times it fluctuates, but then it Keeps Counting Upwards. This doesn't make any sense, as it gives us a Deceptive impression of what is happening. Why have this Column if it doesn't Count Downwards: Or at least don't call it Remaining Time, when it doesn't truly show reamining time. i have had an ASTROPULSE running for a few days, and That Column was down to approximately 1hr:08m:21s more than 18 hrs ago. it is now at about 1:hr:32m:00s and counting upwards. But it's NOT even counting in REALTIME.
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Message 1346780 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:48:36 UTC - in response to Message 1346779.

Or at least don't call it Remaining Time, when it doesn't truly show reamining time.

It does show remaining time- if it's going to take longer to crunch than initially estimated, then it need to revise that time upwards.

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Message 1346781 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:53:02 UTC

I assume you meant that elapsed time was counting upward (increasing), and estimated time to completion was also increasing.

This means that you are processing the WU slower than Boinc originally estimated at the start, and it is adjusting the time to completion to reflect how fast you are actually progressing on it.

Hope that makes sense to you.
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Message 1346782 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:54:12 UTC - in response to Message 1346780.

Personally, those 2 rigs that you have I wouldn't even bother running AP's on, I'd just stick to MB work on them.

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Message 1346783 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 7:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 1346782.
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Personally, those 2 rigs that you have I wouldn't even bother running AP's on, I'd just stick to MB work on them.

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That's not a fair assessment.
They may take longer to process on his rigs than MB, but the awarded credits are higher when they finish as well.
I don't know the exact ratio for AP VS MB, but last I remember there was not a large difference.

So they're slower rigs. Keeps them busy without having to worry about more slow downloads of new work.

Just remember, plodders eventually DO reach the finish line.
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Message 1346784 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 7:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1346783.

Personally, those 2 rigs that you have I wouldn't even bother running AP's on, I'd just stick to MB work on them.

Cheers.

That's not a fair assessment.
They may take longer to process on his rigs than MB, but the awarded credits are higher when they finish as well.
I don't know the exact ratio for AP VS MB, but last I remember there was not a large difference.

Just remember, plodders eventually DO reach the finish line.

I did say, "Personally" Mark, and I wouldn't let my old E6300 run them because they just were not worth the time over doing just MB's. ;)

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Message 1346831 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 13:49:43 UTC

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Grant ..... Message 1346780 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:48:36 UTC
msattler ..... Message 1346781 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:53:02 UTC
** Wiggo/Mark ..... Message 1346784 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 7:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1346783.


Sorry about The long Post, but I thought it best to respond to the 3 of you together.
Thanks guys, that was what I was suspicious of. Yes Mark, I Do Mean that that elapsed time is counting upward (increasing), and estimated time to completion was also increasing.It does makes sense to me now that I have actually heard it from someone with a number of years Experience as opposed to the Experience I have had in the short time I have been involved with BOINC Projects (I have only been Crunching since October 2012).
So what you are actually saying is that it’s Calculating/Recalculating the (Estimated) Time Remaining according to the Current processing time of My Rig/s: similar to when I Install (non-related) Updates and/or Software and it shows the Slide Thingy of Progress/Time Remaining until Completion, and although it may show 1 hour or3 hours, it may only take 5 minutes or 20 minutes, for example. Meaning that The Stated (Estimated) Time Remaining, is Dependant on the Varying Speed of the Processor/s.
In this case, it would be Beneficial to have an Adjacent Column to remaining Time showing The Current SPEED in ‘mb/s’ , as often shown when we Install Updates/Software.
The Only thing which I can’t understand about this situation, is that it happens when there is Nothing Else Opened on my Computer/s, except for the General Stuff that Runs in The Background. I can just be sitting here watching it, and it it Keeps Counting Upwards: It doesn’t Readjust and Count Downwards, except Very Occasionally it Fluctuates up/down by 1 – 3 seconds, and then reverts to Counting Upwards. So a Job that may have had an Initial Completion Time of (lets say) between 5h:30m:00s and 30h:00m:00s ... (times are an example only, as I can’t recall what the Initial Time was for the AP that is Currently Running), has been running for about 48h:30m as at time of Posting This Message, and Remaining Time is about 1h:45m and Climbing. Progress is between 96% and 97%.
I DO seem to get through More MB’s in the same amount of time as one AP, so should I alter my Settings not to take on ant AP’s until I aquire Better Equipment?
** Wiggo ... I understand what you are saying about Running AP’s on my Rigs. In a way, that is kind of why I haven’t become involved with SETI (or any other Project/s) until last October. When i first heard of SETI, I initially had only an Old HP PAVILION 8506 with 500 Celeron Processor, 64mb RAM, and 8GB HD ...
.. Yep! ..... One Of Those Dinasaurs: Which was BIG when I purchased it.At the time, I thought I’d need a Super Duper Computer (this was sometime between 2004 and 2008), so I didn’t bother enquiring about it. I actually heard an Interview of some guy on a Sydney (Australia) Radio Station, and they were discussing the Principle.
I have often since wondered about what it was, but I never made note of any details, and had No Idea where to Enquire about it. Not until I watched ÇONTACT’with Jodie Foster.
As soon as ‘ELLIE’ (Jodie Foster) stood below ARECIBO, I knew that this was what I must have heard all those years ago: Iit all made sense, and I Signed Up with SETI.
However, I concur with Mark about the Benefits of AP v MB. But I also realise that you were speaking Personally. But I am concerned that it may be causing me to achieve less results in the longterm. Also, it’s not that I actually Request AP’s Personally, they are Allocated to me Automatically.

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Message 1346832 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 13:54:54 UTC - in response to Message 1346831.
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Has your progress percentage been increasing?
Or has it been stuck at 97% or so for a long time?
There are cases where a WU gets 'stuck' and the elapsed time keeps increasing, of course, but no actual progress is being made.
A reboot usually resets this, and restarts processing from the last valid checkpoint that was saved for the WU.
You may want to try that.

You have an AP WU that was completed in about 29 hours on that rig, so I am wondering if it is in a 'stuck' state right now.

Also, IF you do not wish to receive any more AP WUs, you can do that in your preferences by unselecting AP and also unselecting the bit about accepting work if your choices are not available.
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Message 1346836 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1346832.

I'm not sure exactly how long it's been at that point. It had been increasing at a fairly reasonable rate, but has been very slow over the past 6-12 hours for example. I haven't actually noticed if HAS Actually Stalled.
You may be correct. it may be worthwile Rebooting, and see what happens.
now that you mention that, i think I DO Recall that there has been previous Occasions (with non AP's) that they have slowed down and I have had to reboot my system for other reasons, and if memory serves me correctly, they did appear to restart from another point in time and speed up. However, I didn't take much notice of it, as I thought it was just coincidental due to the Reboot.
Yes, I think I'll Try It. Thanks for the Suggestion. I'll get back to you Saturday PM or Sunday AM (our time) - it's about 01:00am Saturday here now.

Should I Suspend The Project to be on the Safe Side ..... so that it doesn't jeopardise the AP, and/or Restart one of the other Tasks ?
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Message 1346837 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:16:59 UTC - in response to Message 1346836.


Should I Suspend The Project to be on the Safe Side ..... so that it doesn't jeopardise the AP, and/or Restart one of the other Tasks ?

I don't think there is any need to do that, just reboot and Boinc should handle it.
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Message 1346838 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:19:10 UTC - in response to Message 1346837.

Okay Thanks.
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Message 1346846 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:42:48 UTC

Thanks for your help guys.
Rebooting seemed to Solve The Problem.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

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Message 1346856 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1346846.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

Cheers.

Ooh, you don't want to do that! Here's what can happen if you do...
(see http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesridr/pt.html for the full story.)
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Message 1346867 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 15:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1346856.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

Cheers.

Ooh, you don't want to do that! Here's what can happen if you do...
(see http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesridr/pt.html for the full story.)


OUUCCHHH!!! ..... Thank Goodness I was only Stating a Figure of Speech, and not meaning it In Reality ... :-)
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Message 1346870 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 15:15:27 UTC - in response to Message 1346867.
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Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

Cheers.

Ooh, you don't want to do that! Here's what can happen if you do...
(see http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesridr/pt.html for the full story.)


OUUCCHHH!!! ..... Thank Goodness I was only Stating a Figure of Speech, and not meaning it In Reality ... :-)

That's OK...
We all know the Seti staff wears some specially equipped kicking boots so their toes are protected. Lord knows they have the server kicking medal of honor here.
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Message 1347169 - Posted: 16 Mar 2013, 3:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 1346867.

My thing against running AP's on older and/or slower CPU's is after all the hours that you spend on them can seem like a real waste of time when some Richard Cranium wingman comes along and reschedules that tasks from their CPU to their GPU and you wind up getting only 15-20% of what the work was worth.

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Message 1347178 - Posted: 16 Mar 2013, 5:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 1347169.
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Yes, and some people with GPUs cannot even start them (see a thread in this section). I am running APs on my CPU by a Lunatics app and I never overrun a deadline.
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