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Message 1346779 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:45:35 UTC

Why is it that although The 'Elapsed Time' is Counting down, that the 'Remaining (Estimated) Time' Column is Counting Upwards ?
at times it fluctuates, but then it Keeps Counting Upwards. This doesn't make any sense, as it gives us a Deceptive impression of what is happening. Why have this Column if it doesn't Count Downwards: Or at least don't call it Remaining Time, when it doesn't truly show reamining time. i have had an ASTROPULSE running for a few days, and That Column was down to approximately 1hr:08m:21s more than 18 hrs ago. it is now at about 1:hr:32m:00s and counting upwards. But it's NOT even counting in REALTIME.
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Message 1346780 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:48:36 UTC - in response to Message 1346779.

Or at least don't call it Remaining Time, when it doesn't truly show reamining time.

It does show remaining time- if it's going to take longer to crunch than initially estimated, then it need to revise that time upwards.

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Message 1346782 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:54:12 UTC - in response to Message 1346780.

Personally, those 2 rigs that you have I wouldn't even bother running AP's on, I'd just stick to MB work on them.

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Message 1346784 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 7:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1346783.

Personally, those 2 rigs that you have I wouldn't even bother running AP's on, I'd just stick to MB work on them.

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That's not a fair assessment.
They may take longer to process on his rigs than MB, but the awarded credits are higher when they finish as well.
I don't know the exact ratio for AP VS MB, but last I remember there was not a large difference.

Just remember, plodders eventually DO reach the finish line.

I did say, "Personally" Mark, and I wouldn't let my old E6300 run them because they just were not worth the time over doing just MB's. ;)

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Message 1346831 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 13:49:43 UTC

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Grant ..... Message 1346780 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:48:36 UTC
msattler ..... Message 1346781 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 6:53:02 UTC
** Wiggo/Mark ..... Message 1346784 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 7:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1346783.


Sorry about The long Post, but I thought it best to respond to the 3 of you together.
Thanks guys, that was what I was suspicious of. Yes Mark, I Do Mean that that elapsed time is counting upward (increasing), and estimated time to completion was also increasing.It does makes sense to me now that I have actually heard it from someone with a number of years Experience as opposed to the Experience I have had in the short time I have been involved with BOINC Projects (I have only been Crunching since October 2012).
So what you are actually saying is that it’s Calculating/Recalculating the (Estimated) Time Remaining according to the Current processing time of My Rig/s: similar to when I Install (non-related) Updates and/or Software and it shows the Slide Thingy of Progress/Time Remaining until Completion, and although it may show 1 hour or3 hours, it may only take 5 minutes or 20 minutes, for example. Meaning that The Stated (Estimated) Time Remaining, is Dependant on the Varying Speed of the Processor/s.
In this case, it would be Beneficial to have an Adjacent Column to remaining Time showing The Current SPEED in ‘mb/s’ , as often shown when we Install Updates/Software.
The Only thing which I can’t understand about this situation, is that it happens when there is Nothing Else Opened on my Computer/s, except for the General Stuff that Runs in The Background. I can just be sitting here watching it, and it it Keeps Counting Upwards: It doesn’t Readjust and Count Downwards, except Very Occasionally it Fluctuates up/down by 1 – 3 seconds, and then reverts to Counting Upwards. So a Job that may have had an Initial Completion Time of (lets say) between 5h:30m:00s and 30h:00m:00s ... (times are an example only, as I can’t recall what the Initial Time was for the AP that is Currently Running), has been running for about 48h:30m as at time of Posting This Message, and Remaining Time is about 1h:45m and Climbing. Progress is between 96% and 97%.
I DO seem to get through More MB’s in the same amount of time as one AP, so should I alter my Settings not to take on ant AP’s until I aquire Better Equipment?
** Wiggo ... I understand what you are saying about Running AP’s on my Rigs. In a way, that is kind of why I haven’t become involved with SETI (or any other Project/s) until last October. When i first heard of SETI, I initially had only an Old HP PAVILION 8506 with 500 Celeron Processor, 64mb RAM, and 8GB HD ...
.. Yep! ..... One Of Those Dinasaurs: Which was BIG when I purchased it.At the time, I thought I’d need a Super Duper Computer (this was sometime between 2004 and 2008), so I didn’t bother enquiring about it. I actually heard an Interview of some guy on a Sydney (Australia) Radio Station, and they were discussing the Principle.
I have often since wondered about what it was, but I never made note of any details, and had No Idea where to Enquire about it. Not until I watched ÇONTACT’with Jodie Foster.
As soon as ‘ELLIE’ (Jodie Foster) stood below ARECIBO, I knew that this was what I must have heard all those years ago: Iit all made sense, and I Signed Up with SETI.
However, I concur with Mark about the Benefits of AP v MB. But I also realise that you were speaking Personally. But I am concerned that it may be causing me to achieve less results in the longterm. Also, it’s not that I actually Request AP’s Personally, they are Allocated to me Automatically.

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Message 1346836 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1346832.

I'm not sure exactly how long it's been at that point. It had been increasing at a fairly reasonable rate, but has been very slow over the past 6-12 hours for example. I haven't actually noticed if HAS Actually Stalled.
You may be correct. it may be worthwile Rebooting, and see what happens.
now that you mention that, i think I DO Recall that there has been previous Occasions (with non AP's) that they have slowed down and I have had to reboot my system for other reasons, and if memory serves me correctly, they did appear to restart from another point in time and speed up. However, I didn't take much notice of it, as I thought it was just coincidental due to the Reboot.
Yes, I think I'll Try It. Thanks for the Suggestion. I'll get back to you Saturday PM or Sunday AM (our time) - it's about 01:00am Saturday here now.

Should I Suspend The Project to be on the Safe Side ..... so that it doesn't jeopardise the AP, and/or Restart one of the other Tasks ?
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Message 1346838 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:19:10 UTC - in response to Message 1346837.

Okay Thanks.
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Message 1346846 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:42:48 UTC

Thanks for your help guys.
Rebooting seemed to Solve The Problem.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

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Message 1346856 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 14:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1346846.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

Cheers.

Ooh, you don't want to do that! Here's what can happen if you do...
(see http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesridr/pt.html for the full story.)
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Message 1346867 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 15:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1346856.

Yep! ... My Rig just needed a Good Swift Kick in The Rear Tyre ...LOL :-)

Cheers.

Ooh, you don't want to do that! Here's what can happen if you do...
(see http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesridr/pt.html for the full story.)


OUUCCHHH!!! ..... Thank Goodness I was only Stating a Figure of Speech, and not meaning it In Reality ... :-)
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Message 1347169 - Posted: 16 Mar 2013, 3:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 1346867.

My thing against running AP's on older and/or slower CPU's is after all the hours that you spend on them can seem like a real waste of time when some Richard Cranium wingman comes along and reschedules that tasks from their CPU to their GPU and you wind up getting only 15-20% of what the work was worth.

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Message 1347178 - Posted: 16 Mar 2013, 5:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 1347169.
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Yes, and some people with GPUs cannot even start them (see a thread in this section). I am running APs on my CPU by a Lunatics app and I never overrun a deadline.
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