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Message 1342307 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 5:49:04 UTC

I have never had 2 GPU's in one PC before , I have the evga GTX 460SE 1 gig DDR5 , and I am looking to get another GPU to go with it.

will a EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (768-P3-1362-TR) 768 MB GDDR5 SDRAM PCI Express...

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EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (768-P3-1360-TR) 768 MB GDDR5 SDRAM PCI Express...

Work with my present card ?

Also what is the MIN PSU needed to run those two cards ?

I have a rosewill RP550-2 , 550 watt Psu at the present.
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Message 1342326 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 6:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 1342307.
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Either of those cards would be good, as they are the same series as the existing card. The only problem will be if you run more than one WU at a time.
The GTX 460 series can run up to 3 WUs at a time, but you need more than 1GB of Video RAM if you want to use the system for anything else.
With 1GB of Video RAM it can do 2 at a time with no problems.
But with only 768MB of Video RAM you'd only be able to run one at a time- running 2 WUs at a time with an optimised application on my GTX 460 uses 745MB of video RAM with a couple of browser windows open. Do a few more things and it goes over 800MB.

Also what is the MIN PSU needed to run those two cards ?

They're rated at 160W max.
For this sort of work you'd want a minimum of 300W just for the video cards, allow a couple of hundred watts for the system (for the AMD, the P4 would be at least 250+).
No PSU likes to run at 100% load all the time, i generally rate mine so at the absolute maximum load it's at no more than 75% of it's maximum rating.
So that PSU wouldn't be up to the job IMHO. A good 650W PSU would be plenty.
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Message 1342354 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 12:03:46 UTC

I agree with Grant but my experience shows: Go for a Gold 750W PSU or more, give your PSU a chance to work for years, 650W is to close to the edge, it´s works but the question is for whow long? rememeber when you crunching SETI you stress your host components almost to the limit. In the US the price of both will be almost the same.

I never see a cruncher who say, my PSU is to big...
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Message 1342359 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 12:26:22 UTC

It is possible to have a PSU rated too powerful for a given system - different loads often exhibit different power efficiency ratings, so if a system isn't drawing much power compared to what a PSU is rated for, then it could be that it's not performing its best in terms of power efficiency. Although, these days, 80 Plus rated PSU are usually fairly consistent in efficiency across varying loads, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

For this particular case, 750W probably won't be overkill. But I was just replying in response to the statement 'no-one will say my PSU is too powerful', considering some go way over a kilowatt rating...

At any rate, I usually find this non-vendor specific PSU calculator to be useful guide to buying PSUs.
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Message 1342361 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 13:08:50 UTC

All my 500 and 650 watt PSUs have died within 2 years. I now only use 750 or 1000 watts.
I am running 9 double GPU rigs and they seem very reliable now. The 1000 watt units previously ran 3 GTX 570s too.

Twice I have lost motherboards when the PSU failed. Grr

It seems a false economy to use "just enough" power. Bear in mind, that these PSUs are probably optimistically over-labelled too.

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Message 1342363 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 13:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 1342361.
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All my 500 and 650 watt PSUs have died within 2 years. I now only use 750 or 1000 watts.

That´s exactly what i say, small PSU could work but for how long? I´m with you Reg, 750W PSU is the minimum for a confortable safety range in a double medium size GPU host.

Specialy in the US where you could buy a good 750W PSU for less than US$ 70 makes little sense use a small PSU for 24/7 crunching.

Using the unwrited roule of: you must use no more than 80% of max power, this PSU will give you a plenity of 600W of real power so you can easely drive 2 medium size GPUs for a long time.

I use a 1000W on my double 690 host and a 1350W in a 590+690 host and they run 24/7 with a GPU usage at >98%.
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Message 1342395 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 15:41:42 UTC - in response to Message 1342326.

Either of those cards would be good, as they are the same series as the existing card. The only problem will be if you run more than one WU at a time.
The GTX 460 series can run up to 3 WUs at a time, but you need more than 1GB of Video RAM if you want to use the system for anything else.
With 1GB of Video RAM it can do 2 at a time with no problems.
But with only 768MB of Video RAM you'd only be able to run one at a time- running 2 WUs at a time with an optimised application on my GTX 460 uses 745MB of video RAM with a couple of browser windows open. Do a few more things and it goes over 800MB.

Also what is the MIN PSU needed to run those two cards ?

They're rated at 160W max.
For this sort of work you'd want a minimum of 300W just for the video cards, allow a couple of hundred watts for the system (for the AMD, the P4 would be at least 250+).
No PSU likes to run at 100% load all the time, i generally rate mine so at the absolute maximum load it's at no more than 75% of it's maximum rating.
So that PSU wouldn't be up to the job IMHO. A good 650W PSU would be plenty.


I ran 2 at a time on my 460/768 with no problems at all.

Right now I am using 555 MB running 2 at a time and surfing the internet on the 670.
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Message 1342401 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 15:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 1342326.
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But with only 768MB of Video RAM you'd only be able to run one at a time


You are wrong. I run two WUs at a time per card on my machine with dual GTX460 768MB cards; surfing causes me no problem when doing so. GPU1 (monitor attached) uses 607MB video RAM and GPU2 (no monitor, just CUDA) uses 473MB. When running 2 browser windows also GPU1 goes to 645MB in use.

And I have also watched football games at the same time from NFL.COM with no stuttering or lag. But I wouldn't advise heavy gaming...
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Message 1342433 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 17:58:42 UTC - in response to Message 1342401.


But with only 768MB of Video RAM you'd only be able to run one at a time


You are wrong. I run two WUs at a time per card on my machine with dual GTX460 768MB cards; surfing causes me no problem when doing so. GPU1 (monitor attached) uses 607MB video RAM and GPU2 (no monitor, just CUDA) uses 473MB. When running 2 browser windows also GPU1 goes to 645MB in use.

And I have also watched football games at the same time from NFL.COM with no stuttering or lag. But I wouldn't advise heavy gaming...

I too used to run two WUs at a time in my 768 MB Palit GTX460 -- until I accidentally touched my finger to the fan while trying to gauge how hot it was running. I barely felt a thing, but the fan lost several blades... It's now running with forced cooling in a rack-mount Linux server but since it's paired with an original Tesla GPU I can only run one-at-a-time on it.
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Message 1342477 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 21:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 1342433.


But with only 768MB of Video RAM you'd only be able to run one at a time


You are wrong.

Not according to GPUz.
At present i'm using 711MB of VRAM, but then i haven't got much going on at the moment. Many times i've had more than 800MB of VRAM in use. If i only had 768MB of VRAM then the system would come to a grinding halt, then limp along like a 1 legged dying dog (Which is what happened when i tried running 3 at a time & hit 1GB of VRAM in use).
Sure, if i didn't do much with the system i wouldn't hit that level of RAM usage. But my system isn't just a cruncher, it's my main daily system. I prefer to have a bit of headroom.
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Message 1342503 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 22:27:54 UTC

Right now my 768Mb gtx460 is running two MB quite happily (if a little on the warm side as it is slightly overclocked and needs to have the current resident dust bunnies evicted from their warren.
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Message 1342510 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 22:45:31 UTC

Memory Used:

1 wu


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2 wu


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3 wu


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4 wu



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Message 1342539 - Posted: 2 Mar 2013, 23:38:32 UTC - in response to Message 1342510.
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Sitting on 710MB at the moment with 2WUs being processed.
As mentioned in previous posts- the system is used for more than just crunching.

The system that is used pretty much just for crunching runs 3 WUs at a time, and presently is sitting at 807MB VRAM in use (that card is clocked at 810/1000/1630 but i can't see how that would affect memory usage).
Running Lunatics x41g, NVidia driver 275.33 (i found the 300 series to be slower).
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Message 1342606 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 5:44:53 UTC

According to GPUZ the GPU mem is 111- 122 MB being used running 1 AP wu on evga GTX 460SE card with 1 gig ram .
I don't know how to get the Pic of it to post on here... LOL
I have it saved on my desktop anyway... LOL
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Message 1342615 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 7:30:17 UTC

Spitfire, while you may be able to load 4 tasks into memory your GPU is running at 99% load at two, three and four tasks, so each additional tasks beyond two will be taking more time, so isn't worth it in terms of throughput.
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Message 1342626 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 9:02:52 UTC

Not entirely true.
A friend is running 3 instances on a 450 and it still benefits.

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Message 1342647 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 10:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 1342626.

Not entirely true.
A friend is running 3 instances on a 450 and it still benefits.

Yeah, my GTX 460 doing 3 at a time does more per hour than when just running 2, it's just not nearly as big an increase as running 2 when compared to 1.
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Message 1342651 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 11:16:59 UTC

Is not all about memory the other limit is the GPU usage, so you need to try to find what is the best value for your particular system. How to look? You could use the Fred´s program or try to find the value manualy.

To do that manualy, use GPU-Z for example and look the GPU usage, try 2 WU at a time and see, if with the the GPU usage reaches >98% that is your best value, if not try with 3, the best value is the one that give you the GPU usage of >98%.

Using a number of WU greter than that will only make your system less optimized due the overhead of switching the tasks. Thats why sometimes 3 is worst than 2.

A tip, normaly 2 WU at a time put your GPU usage in the >95% range or more, unless you have an extreame fast GPU (heavely OC, etc.)the best value is always 2 or 3, few GPU´s work faster with 4 or more.
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Message 1342661 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 13:02:40 UTC - in response to Message 1342606.
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According to GPUZ the GPU mem is 111- 122 MB being used running 1 AP wu on evga GTX 460SE card with 1 gig ram .
I don't know how to get the Pic of it to post on here... LOL
I have it saved on my desktop anyway... LOL


Ok, I just started 2 AP WU's at a time , GPUZ is saying 183-203 MB Ram usage
from 93 to 99 % GPU load , Highest mem controller load has been 73% , GPU temp is 48-49C .
I'm just running AP's on GPU , no CPU work being done .
Due to my ISP Download limits being almost maxed out now .
only doing about 20 WU's a day... Sigh !
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Message 1342669 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 13:47:55 UTC - in response to Message 1342661.

Don't forget the that the AP OpenCL apps have low default parameters so they'll work on low end GPUs,
by putting -unroll, -ffa_block and -ffa_block_fetch parameters into your ap_cmdline.txt file along with the values you want to run, you'll increase GPU utilisation, and memory usage.

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