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Message 1342662 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 13:06:59 UTC

Interesting. Now suppose that the private school teaches creationism as truth and evolution as a fantasy.

Most top notch private fee paying schools are education based, not religious. You only get that in what we call Church schools which are normally free. If you are paying big bucks for your child's education, you get to say what they get taught!

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Message 1342675 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 14:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 1342662.

Interesting. Now suppose that the private school teaches creationism as truth and evolution as a fantasy.

Most top notch private fee paying schools are education based, not religious. You only get that in what we call Church schools which are normally free. If you are paying big bucks for your child's education, you get to say what they get taught!


Unfortunately this is true.


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Message 1342680 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 15:00:25 UTC
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Schools that get funding from the UK Government are not allowed to teach Intelligent Design.

Some but not all private schools receive public funding.

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Message 1342695 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 15:51:07 UTC
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WK is correct.

In the UK 1880's in the Welsh valleys, if you didn't go to chapel on a Sunday, you were literally kicked out of your village. Elsewhere in Victorian England, if you didn't get seen at Church you were ostracised by society. In the early 1950's I was nearly chucked out of my local Wolf Cub pack because we were affiliated to a local church, and I didn't go to their Sunday School. In the mid 1950's every school had Religious Instruction lessons (RI), that got changed to Religious Education (RE) because it seemed too dictatorial. You had no choice, you had to go to those lessons, both C of E, and Catholics alike. That was how it was back then, you just accepted it as the way it was. These days the school would get sued!

My local College where I taught had a staff calendar listing all the various religious days from every known religion. Virtually every other day there was some celebration or festival somewhere, where the students said they were unable to attend class because of their religious duties. We had to have a special private room where they could face Mecca umpteen times a day. How the hell can you run a teaching establishment on that basis with 10% of your class missing at any one time?

If you are paying big bucks for your child's education, you get to say what they get taught!

Unfortunately this is true.

And damn right too!! Religion has caused more problems and wars in this world than anything else, and is continuing to do so. The last thing we need to do is to indoctrinate our schoolkids.

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Message 1342737 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 18:12:23 UTC - in response to Message 1342695.

WK is correct.

In the UK 1880's in the Welsh valleys, if you didn't go to chapel on a Sunday, you were literally kicked out of your village. Elsewhere in Victorian England, if you didn't get seen at Church you were ostracised by society. In the early 1950's I was nearly chucked out of my local Wolf Cub pack because we were affiliated to a local church, and I didn't go to their Sunday School. In the mid 1950's every school had Religious Instruction lessons (RI), that got changed to Religious Education (RE) because it seemed too dictatorial. You had no choice, you had to go to those lessons, both C of E, and Catholics alike. That was how it was back then, you just accepted it as the way it was. These days the school would get sued!

My local College where I taught had a staff calendar listing all the various religious days from every known religion. Virtually every other day there was some celebration or festival somewhere, where the students said they were unable to attend class because of their religious duties. We had to have a special private room where they could face Mecca umpteen times a day. How the hell can you run a teaching establishment on that basis with 10% of your class missing at any one time?

If you are paying big bucks for your child's education, you get to say what they get taught!

Unfortunately this is true.

And damn right too!! Religion has caused more problems and wars in this world than anything else, and is continuing to do so. The last thing we need to do is to indoctrinate our schoolkids.

We had religious education at school, but it was about all religions. It means I'm not scared of Muslims and don't believe all the hysterical crap said about the general Muslim population (of course there are extremists). My kids learnt even more, so if I have any questions about Hindu gods I ask them. Learning about other religions is an excellent way to stop xenophobia. It would also stop tragic incidents such as the ones after 9/11 where Sikhs were attacked and even murdered in "retaliation". Ignorance is never a good thing.
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Message 1342750 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 18:47:41 UTC

We had religious education at school, but it was about all religions.

Bearing in mind your age Es, this would be about 30 years later from my experiences. Back then, all classes were basically 100% white, it was very rare to have a different colour classmate. That is not a racist comment, simply a recollection of how it was at that time. These days, with the ethnic integration that we currently have, it makes sense that any religious education has to be far more wide ranging. And like you, I'm not scared of Muslims and I also don't believe all the hysterical crap said about them.

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