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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The first amendment to the constitution, as follows NCLB = LB ===> GWB |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
States can not do as they please. They can not ignore the constitution whether they take federal money or not. |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
How about dissolving all government funds for education? Has anyone thought of that? Duh! Get your religion out of my gubmint and vice verse. Of course, a sensible idea like that will never get any 'traction' since it pisses off everybody and the recipients of said idea are victims of 'gubmint' schools anyway. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
States can not do as they please. They can not ignore the constitution whether they take federal money or not. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
lets not forget the Supremacy Rule/Law. The Federal Gov't rules will always supercede any state law In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
How about dissolving all government funds for education? Has anyone thought of that? Well.......here is a contradiction for ya....... I am a Christian man that supports the recognition of his name and beliefs in this society. However..... I do have a problem with the efforts of my own Governor John Walker, who I happen to support in most everything else, to further the issuing of vouchers to send the kiddies off to private or parochial schools on my tax dollar. As a portion of my property taxes every year, I am taxed for my school district. To support the public school system in my back yard. And now, I am being told that those funds can be siphoned off to support those who do not wish to believe in public schooling because they think their kids are above that??? I call bullshit. I am taxed and have payed moneys to support the local public school system, not your little brats that you think you want better for. If you truly think that your kids are above that, go for it. But do so on your own dollar. NOT mine. I pay taxes for ALL of the school district, not to be taken by those that believe they should have special privileges. Otherwise, if you want to take it another step, there would have to be a checkbox on the tax form. 'Do you wish your tax dollars to go to... A. Public Schooling available to all. Even if it may not be the ultimate. B. Parochial schooling available to only the devout. Ba. And if so which, religion would you desire to support? C. Private schooling. Which means you don't give a rat's petoot what your child learns. Or any oversight. EDIT... And let me say that I damned well have a say in this, even though I have no offspring. I have been a property owner since 1980, and have paid my taxes on such every single year since. Every year, I have to check off on what school district my taxes are going to. I don't believe it is right to take that money and redirect it to others who do not wish to participate in the public school system. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
lets not forget the Supremacy Rule/Law. The Federal Gov't rules will always supercede any state law I thought I just addressed that by quoting the Tenth Amendment. If it wasn't given to Congress the Feds have no business, it belongs to the states. Interestingly there isn't the opposite, banning the states from things given to congress, hence |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
States can not do as they please. They can not ignore the constitution whether they take federal money or not. the first amendment specifically bars congress (the federal government) from interfering in religion or the lack there of. so unless the state constitution has a similar clause it could legally adopt a state religion, much less allow a school, it is funding, to teach a religion. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
lets not forget the Supremacy Rule/Law. The Federal Gov't rules will always supersede any state law only to the extent that the constitution does not bar it. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
How about dissolving all government funds for education? Has anyone thought of that? You never went to school yourself??? Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I really don't understand that response, Es. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I really don't understand that response, Es. He's saying he shouldn't have to pay for a system he never participated in. I was just surprised that he never used the education system. Reality Internet Personality |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
I really don't understand that response, Es. Mark was talking about the diversion of funds from the public district schools to parochial and private schools. He was not complaining about his taxes supporting the public schools. He wrote As a portion of my property taxes every year, I am taxed for my school district.(My emphasis) From his post it is safe to assume that Mark attended a public school and has no problem with his tax dollars being used to support the public school system. His problem is with those tax dollars being used for purposes other than the reason they are collected. i.e. To fund Private schools. T.A. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I really don't understand that response, Es. HMmm ok. I guess the paragraph is a little ambiguous, it took me several readings to get the mmeaning and i still got it wrong. My bad. Reality Internet Personality |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
It's all a question of degree isn't it. If I was asked would I agree to a proportion of my taxes going to fund an above average pupil going to a Private school if her parents could afford it, I would say no. If the pupil was exceptional and her parents couldn't afford it, then I think I would say yes. +1 #resist |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It's all a question of degree isn't it. If I was asked would I agree to a proportion of my taxes going to fund an above average pupil going to a Private school if her parents could afford it, I would say no. If the pupil was exceptional and her parents couldn't afford it, then I think I would say yes. Interesting. Now suppose that the private school teaches creationism as truth and evolution as a fantasy. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
It's all a question of degree isn't it. If I was asked would I agree to a proportion of my taxes going to fund an above average pupil going to a Private school if her parents could afford it, I would say no. If the pupil was exceptional and her parents couldn't afford it, then I think I would say yes. Problem with private schools is that not all of them are good. Quite a few of them get their reputations because they cherry pick their students. I know for a fact that one top private school that charges 100k per year kicks out students if they get less than a grade b average. Private does not necessarily mean better, and they don't get the rigorous inspections that state schools get. I sent my son to a small local private church school for a because he had outgrown his daycare and couldn't start regular school yet. It was dreadful and i made a mistake sending him there. It really was a very bad school. Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I am pretty sure "never participated in" (if that was the phrase) refers to being childless; i.e., he's never had a child to send to either apublic or private school. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Interesting. Now suppose that the private school teaches creationism as truth and evolution as a fantasy. Unfortunately this is true. How about redirecting existing funds from well-off public districts, to the poor inner city ones?-- This is a topic that is fiercely debated in the states whenever people put forth a bill. Always gets shot down. #resist |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Schools that get funding from the UK Government are not allowed to teach Intelligent Design. Some but not all private schools receive public funding. |
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