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Message 1351225 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 18:18:17 UTC

Which is the worry for the rest of us ... Jim MahJong in Pingpong town is obviously on the happy pills again.

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Message 1351244 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 19:07:47 UTC

I am sure that China, or Japan for that matter, could take care of the problem in less than 24 hours. Which makes me wonder whose interest does it serve to let N. Korea continue to exist? China could just as easily as any other country end up finding out the hard way whether N. Korea has WMD. Unfortunately, even if all of N. Korea's leaders were captured or killed it will probably take a generation to repair all of the social as well as physical damage to the country.
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Message 1351246 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 19:11:40 UTC

I fear that it would take rather more than 24 hours, although you are right to comment upon the humanitarian catastrophe that would be left behind.

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Message 1351258 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 19:40:37 UTC

Send through diplomatic channels that the translation of you statements is that you are abrogating the cease fire agreement. We wish to be sure that we are not dealing with a bad translation before we take action. If this is not your intent, please reply that you will continue to observe the cease fire agreement, otherwise we will take your statements as abrogation or any overt offensive act, including throwing a rock over the boarder as proof that you have abrogated and will proceed as such. You can rest assured that if hostilities begin, we will not take survivors and will not accept any terms other than complete unconditional surrender and slavery for the North Korean people.

Back him into a corner and either make him eat crow or start it now before he has a chance to have an effective delivery system for his WMD. He has tested unlike Saddam who just blustered.

Deliver it deadpan to the Chinese to pass on and get an answer, telling then it is a matter of the gravest consequences and utmost urgency. Refuse to engage with the Chinese on this until they deliver a response. If the delivery is done correctly, watch if troops mass on the Yalu river.

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Message 1351286 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 21:53:35 UTC

I think part of the problem is that nobody wants to take on the responsibility of rehabilitating N. Korea after what would be a brief but catastrophic war S. Korea would most likely be the big loser here. Come to think of it, it is a lose-lose situation for S. Korea. If everybody waits for N. Korea to make the first move S. Korea would surely be one of the first targets. On the other hand unless there is a perfectly executed preemptive strike, N. Korea would surely dump everything they have on their neighbors to the south. So in essence S. Korea is being held hostage without actually being invaded
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Message 1351312 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 23:33:19 UTC

The US is bound by treaty to help South Korea in the event of hostilities. China is also worried about the aftermath, in that a US presence would be on China's doorstep. Discussions should take place with China prior to any potential collapse of North Korea, to address the Chinese concerns. You would have humanitarian problems, and political problems. Understanding the ramifications and concerns between all parties can lead to a more successful outcome.

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Message 1351337 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 2:19:16 UTC

Station A Monolith Video Wall Above NK.

First, the text says: All Of NK Is Yours To Destroy. Attempt No Other Country's Destruction.

Then, do 24/7/365 Broadcasting Of PSY Gangum Style Vids.

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Message 1351353 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 4:00:11 UTC - in response to Message 1351312.

The US is bound by treaty to help South Korea in the event of hostilities. China is also worried about the aftermath, in that a US presence would be on China's doorstep. Discussions should take place with China prior to any potential collapse of North Korea, to address the Chinese concerns. You would have humanitarian problems, and political problems. Understanding the ramifications and concerns between all parties can lead to a more successful outcome.

Steve

But of course. However the Chinese right now are in denial over the threat. Getting them to take it on as a number one problem is necessary. Then we can negotiate with them on how to prevent a refugee crises from streaming across the Yalu. Perhaps they can do a little targeted assassination to bring about regime change.

Unfortunately no one wants NK. It is far to poor to be self sufficient even if it was taken over without significant damage, which is unlikely. The South can't prop them up. The USA can't and China wouldn't stand for it. The EU obviously can't. The Chinese might be able to but refuse to, they have their own issues.

The crackpot seems to know this and is making as much noise as he can. Someone needs to swat him like the bothersome mosquito he is.

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Message 1351357 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 4:37:34 UTC

N Korea is full of zealots. Taking that County down with conventional arms would be a huge task. They love their 'Dear Leader'. Sure there are plenty of them who do not love him but it is armed to the teeth and I'm sure they will use them.

China would LOVE to see us open another theater of war. 1) they bankroll all of our wars. 2) they would love to see us take a nose dive financially 3) this would put them at the top as a world power much more ahead of their scheduled plans. 4) then they can take, without us backing, lands they have disputed with Japan, Philippine Islands and others.




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Message 1351434 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 10:00:10 UTC

& with the West reducing their forces, the tinpot nations are building their's up along with nuclear weaponery.

That is a correct observation, but the trouble is that they are not quite so tinpot any more. I come from a generation that grew up with labels reading "Made in China", "Made in Japan" or "Made in Taiwan" being symbolic of cheap trashy goods. I have to keep remembering that the Far East now makes some of the best Electronic goods, tv's and Hifi in the world. Just a short hop skip and a jump to nuclear capability.

Back then anything south of the Panama Canal was seen as Banana Country land. Not any more it isn't. The world needs to accept there have been massive advances in capability amongst what were the poorer 3rd world countries. NK wouldn't win a land war nor survive a concerted missile attack. But one "dirty" bomb lobbed over the border and SK is off limits for years.

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Message 1351466 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 12:25:58 UTC
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Reminds me when I was a kid and we lived under the threat of nukes all the time. But this N. Korea thing has me worried a little. Its one thing when two countries know they can blow each other off the face of the planet no matter who makes the first strike. This whack job in N. Korea has absolutly nothing to lose.
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Message 1351472 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 12:48:33 UTC

Spot on James. When we had the 40 year cold war between the East and the West, WWIII was expected to consist of Generals in deep underground bunkers, pressing buttons to unleash ICBM's everywhere and annihilate the rest of the world. I think (hope ..) we have agreed that it wasn't a very sensible way to behave. But these mini despots do pose a threat to world peace. The UN is a waste of space.

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Message 1351480 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 13:08:08 UTC

Just been posted on the Guardians page.

US nuclear-capable bombers complete training mission in South Korea

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Message 1351488 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 13:38:05 UTC

The announcement is likely to draw a strong response from Pyongyang. North Korea sees the military drills as part of a US plot to invade and becomes particularly upset about US nuclear activities in the region

Tit for tat for tit .... Pingpong land will bluster as usual, but the USA message to NK is quite clear, you wanna start getting cute, we'll flatten you.

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Message 1351519 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 16:08:23 UTC

NK reminds me of a teenager throwing a temper tantrum suitable for a two year old.

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Message 1351520 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 16:10:40 UTC - in response to Message 1351519.

NK reminds me of a teenager throwing a temper tantrum suitable for a two year old.

many analysts see the same thing. NK does a bunch of awful things and when pressured does it more but when offered goodies like oil and food they promise to be good again. With their new leader they really seem to be ratcheting up the military posturing.
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Message 1351532 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 17:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 1351520.

NK reminds me of a teenager throwing a temper tantrum suitable for a two year old.

many analysts see the same thing. NK does a bunch of awful things and when pressured does it more but when offered goodies like oil and food they promise to be good again. With their new leader they really seem to be ratcheting up the military posturing.


A big sign that the latest sanctions are putting the big squeeze on them?
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Message 1351541 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 17:38:01 UTC - in response to Message 1351532.
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NK reminds me of a teenager throwing a temper tantrum suitable for a two year old.

many analysts see the same thing. NK does a bunch of awful things and when pressured does it more but when offered goodies like oil and food they promise to be good again. With their new leader they really seem to be ratcheting up the military posturing.


A big sign that the latest sanctions are putting the big squeeze on them?

Perhaps Pingpong is worried that he may get overthrown so is trying to curry some
support from his people. So he's puffing his chest out so there could be someone
within his ranks who may be planning to pop it....with the view of saving the
country.
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Message 1351649 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 23:22:43 UTC

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/north-korea-us-threats/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

What is this guy thinking? If things keep going like they seem to be, North Korea is going to be history.

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Message 1351651 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 23:25:15 UTC - in response to Message 1351649.

But what a history. The first leader to know that he's lost so says....

"I'm gonna take a hell of a lotta you pukes with me"

Nice history!

I'm afraid this is out of the UN's remit. It has to be the US & China together to force his hand & in a way that the above does not happen!
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