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Chinese view of North Korea's leader

"Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state."

Current Russian View

"At least at this point, we see that the statements (of Washington) are rather restrained. The position of the American side is a bit reassuring".

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I agree, China has been aiding and abetting the clowns in N.Korea for 50 years. Well being a super power brings with it super world responsibilitys. About time they started learning that lesson.

I don't see this escapade by North Korea escalating any further as they know they
stand on their own. They don't have the support of China to back them up any more
as China has indicated this to them over the past couple of years. North Korea has
isolated it self on the world stage and Ping-pong must know that any wrong move
from now will result in North Korea disappearing as an independent country only
to become part of another, either South Korea so becoming just Korea or
sucked in as part of China. The latter would be the best option as this would
keep a buffer zone between China and the west which at this moment in time China
would still prefer to have.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

according to news sources, the North hasnt moved any troops or equipment that would show any sign of imminent attack or provication. The north has made one thing clear. they tell a good story.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I agree with your point of view, the relationship between China and North Korea has been broken for ten years, because of the Kim family on the nuclear issue on the arrogant stubborn. Once war broke out, China is more inclined to support a good government, of course, every country will do.

according to news sources, the North hasnt moved any troops or equipment that would show any sign of imminent attack or provication. The north has made one thing clear. they tell a good story.

Really? That's not what I've heard. And I haven't tuned into FOX recently.

I agree with your point of view, the relationship between China and North Korea has been broken for ten years, because of the Kim family on the nuclear issue on the arrogant stubborn. Once war broke out, China is more inclined to support a good government, of course, every country will do.

Hi Zhao, it only needs your government to pull out of it's trading deals with
North Korea to bring this country back in to line. I feel this will only happen
if your government fear that North Korea will start to fire-off missiles.
I don't think China wont's to get involved in North Korea on a tactical level,
and who does? But to keep North Korea as a buffer zone between East & West
then China may be forced to if North Korea does start firing-off. It would be
far better for all concerned if your government took control of North Korea
as you would be more acceptable to the population there, more than any western
imposed government could ever be.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

You overestimate our nation's influence on North Korea, North Korea did not listen to the views of others. We do not want war, if a large number of North Korean refugees into China, completely will drag down China's economy and safety, we can't trust a rogue state.

Hard to listen to talk of handing over NK to China. It doesn't belong to China, it belongs to Korea. East and West Germany united and are better for it. Korea belongs to Korea.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Yes, North Korea and South Korea should become a national unification. But if North Korea fully incorporated in South Korea, Russia and China are going to oppose.

Regarding trusting a rogue state -- well it is China's rogue state and it has been China's rogue state for close to a half century.

You overestimate our nation's influence on North Korea, North Korea did not listen to the views of others. We do not want war, if a large number of North Korean refugees into China, completely will drag down China's economy and safety, we can't trust a rogue state.

Don't think North Korea is China's vassal, why do you always hold such a view? North Korea reversed all volunteer army monument, shelling our boat. North Korea has been on China's guarded, as is the case in china.

Don't think North Korea is China's vassal, why do you always hold such a view? North Korea reversed all volunteer army monument, shelling our boat. North Korea has been on China's guarded, as is the case in china.

Some people are stuck in the 1950's. They wish for a simpler time where absolutism explained the world.

I know the situation in China is vastly different than it was then. Every American should if they would remember Richard Nixon's visit to China. However they want to forget Nixon for good reason, but they should not forget the important things that happened in the time frame he was president.

I realize that China isn't any form of traditional communism, there is no idealism like Lenin involved. A better fit would be to compare the government to a monopolistic capitalist corporation and how it treats its workers.

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Well we can't say the guy hasn't warned us. If and when hostilities start no leader can claim they were surprised.

There is an old movie I keep thinking of, "The Mouse That Roared", about a tiny country that declared war on the USA expecting to immediately surrender and thereby receive post war aid to revitalize their country.

I am sure that if that were the intent here the rest of the world would gladly help to restructure N.Korea if Jong Il and his aides would quietly go into exile.

Didnt that film end with a big mushroom cloud?

Different movie. "Dr. Strangelove" or "The Bedford Incident"

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Not so much a client state any longer, rather a client state that has gone rogue. I suspect that there was a long period when China viewed NK as its rogue state and found it useful to maintain it as such (say from the 70's to the 90's). Since then the state has become something of a Frankenstein monster over which even China has limited influence.

That being said, for all the very rouge things NK has done and said, China's response has been rather mild.

I also wonder if NK is going very rogue at the moment because they realize that with the 10 year leadership change in China, the new leaders in China are likely to act in a rather cautious manner. (Of course the military in China doesn't have that sort of internal leadership change so during these changes on the civilian side it seems the military might be a bit more 'proactive' on various matters).

Don't think North Korea is China's vassal, why do you always hold such a view? North Korea reversed all volunteer army monument, shelling our boat. North Korea has been on China's guarded, as is the case in china.

The old Vulcan proverb..."Only Nixon could go to China" has real meaning.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Don't think North Korea is China's vassal, why do you always hold such a view? North Korea reversed all volunteer army monument, shelling our boat. North Korea has been on China's guarded, as is the case in china.

Hi Zhao, since this current escapade involving North Korea blew-up has made it
abundantly clear to all that North Korea is not China's vassal. Simply because
the Chinese government has distanced it'self from North Korea over this current
issue involving this sabre rattling by them. The last thing that your government
want's is to have to do battle with anyone, it's just wants to get on with
building up it's economy. But I think we all know one thing and that is China will
feel very uncomfortable if a Western power took control over North Korea at any
time. This is totally understandable and if a Western power was to move in on
North Korea there would be a lot of unease between this Western power and China
in that region. China knows that if this event was to occur it occurred because
they themselves failed to take control over North Korea themselves. To this end
I feel that the Chinese government would be pragmatic enough, all though much
against their will, to make the move against North Korea if they felt this was
the only solution to this current crisis. To this end then I suspect most
Western Government see this move by China will be the best overall since the
status-quo between East and West then stays the same and all will be happy.
I do suspect that, via the diplomatic services, there is a clear understanding
between the West and China over this North Korea business and if a move had to
be made on North Korea it will be a plan that has been found to be acceptable
to the Chinese Government....if not then somebody needs their backside kicking.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Let it be known that the war to end all wars will soon come to pass. the main players will be U.S.A ,U.K ,N A T o and commonwealth country's ver's China , Russia ,Nth Korea .While these country's fight a second war will start the players Isreal ,U.S.A ,U.K ,N A T O and commonwealth country's ver's Iran ,Russia , China ,Nth Korea .The west will seem to be loseing when the navy fleet is destroyed in the mediteranian sea .But there is hope 1 country will turn on it's allies just as all hope starts to fade .Russia helps the west win the war when it turns on China .This is what will take place as the phophets tell us .The end is nah....You have been told

I have cut this back a bit as the prophecy's do go into this more but I would be here all day explaining all the events that will soon happen .But suffice to say the end of times ends approx. 2036 not the wars there only the beginning .

Now the problem with prophecy is if people actually believe in it ,it will happen .The muslims believe in it , the Jews believe and also whant to rebuild King Solomans temple where the current temple mount is but the muslims have it at the moment.

Now if we only had to contend with a young spoilt brat in Nth Korea I would not be worried but with Isreal bucking to have a go at Iran I think we might just be heading into trouble

Please do not hassel me about this if you believe in the Prophecy good on you if you don't also good on you a good sear always keeps info back meaning i'm not telling all

Be smart if the d$%kheads of this world do wish to bring on the End of Days Remember this ,the world will not end this side of a million years or so .Get your survival kit ready so you can be the next Adam or Eve and rebuild


personally I realy wish nato or the u.k or u.s.a would just nuke the sob and give all the wood be leaders of the world a message shut the F#$k up and crawl back down the shit hole you came from so the rest of us can keep having fun

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I believe in some prophecy.

The end could be here soon.

NK is just the not so subtle voice of the coming.

Man was not of his own creation, but he has the means of his own self destruction.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Hey Glenn, when did the prophets ever have anything good to say??
Well, they knew they would never get noticed or get lent an ear if they
peddled good tidings. So they peddled a whole heap of useless trash knowing
that they would never be around to have to face up to the untruths and utter
bunkum they came out with.

Prophets, soothsayers, a penny a pound that lot in their time. Some managed
to gain notoriety during their life time but most just faded away, unknown.....thank God.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Bro I think prophecys are b/s but i'm a lot saner than that nutter in Korea and that twit in iran but you have to think what will they do both where in the axes of evil speech that cowboy Bush made and look what happened to Iraq so will they be listening to reason or start to panaic and think what the F$%k the U.S.A are gona hit us we got nothing to lose and then Iran says the Koran says well win next thing you know ww3. As for China I hope some of the posts are on the money when they say China will intervean as they can not let the west take over Korea. It was 1 of the biggest stuff ups ever going into Iraq the way we did cause of the way it will be interpreted by the nutters .You could say we already started the war with Iraq ...!!.There is no way in hell will eather Iran or Nth Korea are gona give up the nukes after the cowboy said what he said so let's hope China shows some balls and goes in to stop this nutter otherwise it's only gona end 1 way the end of days way . Then we will be in big do do a war like what might happen ,well people ww2 there was a big spike in CO2 levals and we have already stuffed the CO2 level up . So many things all at the same time mmmm maybe God does have a sence of humer
makes you question things mmmmmm are the prophets right finally

Lets face it 1 day they will be right might miss 99 outa 100 but it only takes 1 time and it's bye bye see ya on the other side

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