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Message 1337115 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 17:50:45 UTC

Pope resigns
Claims it is due to old age, but I suspect it has more to do with him covering up the kiddy fiddling scandal.
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Message 1337119 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 18:04:08 UTC

Even his aides said that was out of the blue. One can hope the next Pope is modern and lets priests get married. And say its not a sin to be on birth control.
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Message 1337122 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 18:06:59 UTC

I suspect that the reasons are far more complex than simply "old age".
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Message 1337200 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 22:02:26 UTC - in response to Message 1337115.

Pope resigns
Claims it is due to old age, but I suspect it has more to do with him covering up the kiddy fiddling scandal.

Just the tip of the iceberg. Add the raid of the endowment care fund by Cardinal Roger Mahony to pay out those lawsuits he helped cover up. So now there is no money to keep up Catholic cemeteries. They will fall into disrepair. There is no way this multi-million dollar raid wasn't done with the permission of the Pope. If Catholic cemeteries were subject to the same rules as all others and they did this, the Pope as well as Mahony would already be in jail awaiting trial. Hope none of your relatives are buried there! Next thing Mahony will do is sell the land to developers and they will just dig them up. Mahony already did this when he built his cathedral on an native American burial ground!

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Message 1337214 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 22:19:53 UTC

All of this is just accusations. Unfounded. None of you have the least bit of proof.
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Message 1337215 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 22:25:02 UTC - in response to Message 1337214.

Hypothesis vs theory.
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Message 1337228 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 23:06:17 UTC - in response to Message 1337214.

All of this is just accusations. Unfounded. None of you have the least bit of proof.

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Message 1337238 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 23:21:32 UTC - in response to Message 1337228.

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Message 1337283 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 1:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 1337262.


A signal from above? Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years

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Message 1337284 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 1:59:54 UTC - in response to Message 1337283.


A signal from above? Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years


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Message 1337293 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 2:27:09 UTC

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/world/2013/02/11/pkg-robertson-pope-benedict-priest-abuse.cnn
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Message 1337308 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 3:56:06 UTC

Maybe he was just tired of all the political BS that goes on, even in the church.
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Message 1337339 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 5:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1337214.

All of this is just accusations. Unfounded. None of you have the least bit of proof.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/09/local/la-me-church-cemetery-fund-20130210
Cardinal Mahony used cemetery money to pay sex abuse settlement

The Archdiocese of L.A. took $115 million from its cemeteries' maintenance fund in 2007, nearly depleting it. The move seems legal, but it was not announced, and relatives of the dead were not told.

Pressed to come up with hundreds of millions of dollars to settle clergy sex abuse lawsuits, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony turned to one group of Catholics whose faith could not be shaken: the dead.

Under his leadership in 2007, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles quietly appropriated $115 million from a cemetery maintenance fund and used it to help pay a landmark settlement with molestation victims.

The church did not inform relatives of the deceased that it had taken the money, which amounted to 88% of the fund. Families of those buried in church-owned cemeteries and interred in its mausoleums have contributed to a dedicated account for the perpetual care of graves, crypts and grounds since the 1890s.

Mahony and other church officials also did not mention the cemetery fund in numerous public statements about how the archdiocese planned to cover the $660-million abuse settlement. In detailed presentations to parish groups, the cardinal and his aides said they had cashed in substantial investments to pay the settlement, but they did not disclose that the main asset liquidated was cemetery money.

May he burn in hell with each day bringing more pain than the last.

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Message 1337345 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 5:51:28 UTC - in response to Message 1337339.

All of this is just accusations. Unfounded. None of you have the least bit of proof.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/09/local/la-me-church-cemetery-fund-20130210
Cardinal Mahony used cemetery money to pay sex abuse settlement

The Archdiocese of L.A. took $115 million from its cemeteries' maintenance fund in 2007, nearly depleting it. The move seems legal, but it was not announced, and relatives of the dead were not told.

Pressed to come up with hundreds of millions of dollars to settle clergy sex abuse lawsuits, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony turned to one group of Catholics whose faith could not be shaken: the dead.

Under his leadership in 2007, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles quietly appropriated $115 million from a cemetery maintenance fund and used it to help pay a landmark settlement with molestation victims.

The church did not inform relatives of the deceased that it had taken the money, which amounted to 88% of the fund. Families of those buried in church-owned cemeteries and interred in its mausoleums have contributed to a dedicated account for the perpetual care of graves, crypts and grounds since the 1890s.

Mahony and other church officials also did not mention the cemetery fund in numerous public statements about how the archdiocese planned to cover the $660-million abuse settlement. In detailed presentations to parish groups, the cardinal and his aides said they had cashed in substantial investments to pay the settlement, but they did not disclose that the main asset liquidated was cemetery money.

May he burn in hell with each day bringing more pain than the last.

It is a shame I don't believe in hell.
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Message 1337349 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 6:03:14 UTC

Hell isn't a lake of fire. It's the absence of God for eternity.

I feel real bad for you and would like to help. It's sad that you don't believe.
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Message 1337354 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 6:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1337349.

Hell isn't a lake of fire. It's the absence of God for eternity.

I feel real bad for you and would like to help. It's sad that you don't believe.

The bible is quite clear on what hell is.

I am aware you feel bad for me. I've come across your kind many times before. You simply cannot see how your belief is a terrible thing that stops you living a truly moral life. You can't be truly moral because you are following a set of rules without really understanding what it is all about. You only care about what comes in the next life, so you don't put the effort you should into making this world a good place.

You judge others, and you presume to think you have all the correct answers. You are filled with hate for anything you don't understand or fear and then you hide behind a book written nearly 2000 years ago without even reading it properly.

If you really were like Jesus, you would be spending time with the outcasts of society and helping them just like he did instead of hating them and judging them.
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Message 1337358 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 6:18:38 UTC - in response to Message 1337354.

Hell isn't a lake of fire. It's the absence of God for eternity.

I feel real bad for you and would like to help. It's sad that you don't believe.

The bible is quite clear on what hell is.

I am aware you feel bad for me. I've come across your kind many times before. You simply cannot see how your belief is a terrible thing that stops you living a truly moral life. You can't be truly moral because you are following a set of rules without really understanding what it is all about. You only care about what comes in the next life, so you don't put the effort you should into making this world a good place.

You judge others, and you presume to think you have all the correct answers. You are filled with hate for anything you don't understand or fear and then you hide behind a book written nearly 2000 years ago without even reading it properly.

If you really were like Jesus, you would be spending time with the outcasts of society and helping them just like he did instead of hating them and judging them.


Have you thought of applying for pope?

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Message 1337367 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 6:47:19 UTC

Sadly I don't think they'd have Es - on two grounds: she's too sensible, and she's woman.

(There is a third ground, she's probably far too young as most recent Popes have been knocking on in years.)
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Message 1337368 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 6:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 1337367.

Sadly I don't think they'd have Es - on two grounds: she's too sensible, and she's woman.

(There is a third ground, she's probably far too young as most recent Popes have been knocking on in years.)

I think I'd make a jolly good pope.
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Message 1337379 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 7:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 1337368.

Sadly I don't think they'd have Es - on two grounds: she's too sensible, and she's woman.

(There is a third ground, she's probably far too young as most recent Popes have been knocking on in years.)

I think I'd make a jolly good pope.

You do have a role model as in Popess Joan who was dismissed as a "figment of the imagination" naturally. I believe in her.

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