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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states. You should know by now he never gives his opinion or his definition. Just spouts another source. And lets you quess what his stance is. [/quote] Old James |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states. There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish. Quote "There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.", does not address the question. Please explain. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish. Oh, I beg to differ. Telling you what I am tells you what I am not. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
ID, I am still awaiting to see your definitions of "right wing" and so on. I can but assume you are incapable of such a definition, so must also be incapable of understanding the definition you provided for "socialism" is not the same as the extended definition you are using. From your own words I see your definition of "Socialism" as being something like "A socio-political concept that exists to control all economic function, all social interaction and all political activity by the deployment of either mental or physical force. Further, in-extremis, all opponents (real or perceived) of the state will be eliminated from society either by physical other means". Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish. ID, I did not ask you what you are! I asked you for your definition of socialism. What you claim to be does not address the question. Doesn't circumlocution make you dizzy? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, I am still awaiting to see your definitions of "right wing" and so on. Not quite, but a good start. Socialism, as I have told you here at this site got it's start at Jekyll island with a Duck Hunt that start the Federal Reserve. This wasn't the first time the state go in bed with Banksters, but it was the first time that it happened with a soon to come changes (look at the dates of changes made in 1913) in our Constitution forced by Woodrow Wilson. This is REAL, real history, not made up nor is it part of my over worked imagination. I will call it socialism for now because it did not come with a "exalts nation" as Fascism does. Fascism, as I have posted here is very close to socialism. But it is a weird twist of "exalts nation", and race. It does NOT have to come with exalts race, but of late it does seem to come with race baiters from all sides. And here is where all you poor people at this site seem to get all mixed up and confused. I blame the public education you all had. The common thread of all this is a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. Which all of you who bothered left out. True, at times it was stronger then others. But never the less strong central government with lobbiest for Big Biz. Further more, I have told you here many times that I'm a Constitutionalist. The very word tells a story of LIMITED power, divided up within the states. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish. There is a reason I have you on my ignore list. Thank you for the reminder... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I did NOT ask for a history of your version of socialism, but a definition of the same, along with one for "right wing", "left-wing". As ever you evade direct questions by the provision of so called historic answers. If you want a historic perspective on socio-political and socio-economic theories you must go back a long way before 1913, rather back to the pre-Grecian era in about 1000BCE. Indeed it could be argued that the roots of socialism are to be found in the first few books of the Bible, in the 10 Commandments - which can be boiled down as "treat others as you would wish to be treated", which after all is one of the foundations of socialism - all men are equal. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
I did NOT ask for a history of your version of socialism, but a definition of the same, along with one for "right wing", "left-wing". I did, you missed it. Left, socialism. Right, Fascism. I had to give you the basics so you could follow along. It seems that I should have been MORE basic for you. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Incomplete, as you must surely know - I asked for YOUR definition of the two, as socio-political, or socio-economic concepts or states. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Aside, some class "fascism" as left wing socio-political, while being right wing socio-economic (With this in mind one could be very provocative and deduce that since fascism is both "left" and "right" it must be of the centre). As I said we need YOUR (working) definitions, not their relationships to each other. In some thinking there is a third point in the same plane, but displaced from the socio-political/socio-economic axis, this point being (for want of a better word) "totalitarian" - I think we would both agree that "fascism" is a long way in that direction. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Incomplete, as you must surely know - I asked for YOUR definition of the two, as socio-political, or socio-economic concepts or states. I WILL give as much as I want when I want. I ALLOW others to fill in THEIR own blanks. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Aside, some class "fascism" as left wing socio-political, while being right wing socio-economic (With this in mind one could be very provocative and deduce that since fascism is both "left" and "right" it must be of the centre). As I said we need YOUR (working) definitions, not their relationships to each other. "totalitarian"--yes we agree. However, the flip side of that coin is socialism with Communism as end game. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID, is your refusal to answer the question of what is your definition of socialism because you don't have a coherent answer? |
John Neale Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 634 Credit: 7,246,513 RAC: 9 |
No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community) You should see what we have now! |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community) That was Fascism... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
So your coin has at least three faces? Admit it, you are out of your depth, unable to define most of the words you use to belittle another society, or part thereof. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
So your coin has at least three faces? Nope, wont do such a thing. Not true. What's the matter. don't like Webster? LOL! Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Constitutionalist....Id have to say the coin many sides. In this Country there is room for only one. That would be Constitutionalism. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
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