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Message 1336285 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 18:26:10 UTC

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/socialism
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Message 1336299 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 19:17:54 UTC

ID Say: so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

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Message 1336303 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 19:40:29 UTC

Thanks, for clearing up what you believe socialism is. No where in your definition is speech mentioned.
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Message 1336304 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 19:44:38 UTC - in response to Message 1336303.
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Thanks, for clearing up what you believe socialism is. No where in your definition is speech mentioned.

clarify...

In such countries people are either jailed or shot.

clarify...

...or as shown may times over, shut-up by various means.
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Message 1336312 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 20:11:27 UTC

The same is true of people within ultra-right wing societies. Dispatching opponents (real or imagined) is a common tactic employed by those who dominate by fear, often in the name of "freedom", which should be read as "freedom for me to kill those I don't agree with, on the grounds that I label them as enemies of the state".
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Message 1336319 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 20:21:32 UTC - in response to Message 1336304.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.
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Message 1336325 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 20:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 1336312.

The same is true of people within ultra-right wing societies. Dispatching opponents (real or imagined) is a common tactic employed by those who dominate by fear, often in the name of "freedom", which should be read as "freedom for me to kill those I don't agree with, on the grounds that I label them as enemies of the state".


I do not. However, you need to take this little talk to Barry Obama.

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Message 1336327 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 20:51:20 UTC - in response to Message 1336319.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

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Message 1336331 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 21:02:48 UTC

The definition you posted DOES NOT include the use of force/terror to suppress the populace, so you have extended the definition you gave.
You have extended your definition to include any of the totalitarian or populace suppressive regimes, some of which are avowed right wing, some of which are avowed left wing, and others (the majority in my opinion) are just plain nasty and have no specific political leaning.
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Message 1336337 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 21:13:05 UTC
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We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

I'll make no bones about it. Bush Jr. was bad and some would call right-wing. In reality he was not right-wing but center-left, he had to break the Constitution in order to save the Constitution---LOL!

Barry Obama is Left of left, he ignores the Constitution altogether.

Bush Jr., socialism light. Barry, hard socialism. We are just a few steps from Communism, full blown. China is happy....{smile}
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Message 1336348 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 21:32:08 UTC

So, please enlighten us- define "right wing".
We need to hear your definition, and see if holds up as an opposite to "socialism", or as an opposite to "left wing" (which may, or may not be the same thing)
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Message 1336364 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 21:48:44 UTC

China could give a rats patut if we go commie or not. They own us outright. All they need to do is call us on the notes they own.
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Message 1336408 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 22:49:28 UTC

No, China doesn't own the US quite yet...
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/
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Message 1336413 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 22:54:46 UTC - in response to Message 1336285.

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


And to you this seems wrong?
I'd love to see the people owning their own resources and the means of production.
Who would better control the economy? The people, through honest and unbought politicians who are accountable directly to those same people, or profiteers working in secrecy in corporate boardrooms where citizens have no input or control in matters of the national economy?

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Message 1336422 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 23:08:17 UTC

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Message 1336427 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 23:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 1336327.
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ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

ID, since many would like to understand what your words mean, please give us your definition, otherwise you just make no sense.
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Message 1336455 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 0:57:08 UTC - in response to Message 1336427.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

ID, since many would like to understand what your words mean, please give us your definition, otherwise you just make no sense.

I've been defining the word since I got here. Please keep up with me.

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Message 1336457 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 1:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1336413.

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


And to you this seems wrong?
I'd love to see the people owning their own resources and the means of production.
Who would better control the economy? The people, through honest and unbought politicians who are accountable directly to those same people, or profiteers working in secrecy in corporate boardrooms where citizens have no input or control in matters of the national economy?

You don't seem to understand our economy. We vote with our dollars. However, when the elected get together with the corporate boardrooms we get the word so·cial·ism. This started right after WWII with the word Fascism and a warning from Dwight D. Eisenhower about the Military-Industrial Complex.
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Message 1336463 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 1:18:58 UTC

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You have no idea of the differences between political systems.
Equating socialism to fascism has to be the most asinine position I've ever seen someone take in these forums.
You are so confused by rhetoric that you make no sense at all.

Why do the most opinionated people seemingly base those opinions on made up facts?
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Message 1336470 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 1:36:16 UTC - in response to Message 1336455.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

ID, since many would like to understand what your words mean, please give us your definition, otherwise you just make no sense.

I've been defining the word since I got here. Please keep up with me.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.
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