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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
your country was based on secularism. They didn't want religion interfering in Gov't. This is something that the socalled southern bible thumping representatives conveniently forget when they spew their dreck about a christian country. Where does your underlined bit mention Christianity? You might say in the second phrase where is says "in the year of our Lord". But that ignores the fact that was a way of refering to the date at that time, a time considerably different to our own. And also you will find if you did your research properly that "in the year of our Lord" was not in the original draft, it was probably inserted by a scribe, to ensure it was different from the European way of dating documents with reference to the Monarchs reign as in "fifth year of the reign of King George". Or it might have been ordered to be inserted by James Madison. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Well the first underlined section looks very much like one of the current humanist blessings, shifted back a couple of hundred years in its language, rather than which a then contemporary Christian writer would use which would be something along the lines "under the guidance and protection of Our Lord Jesus Christ. What makes you think that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, yes he liked the moral teachings of the Bible, but nothing else. And those moral teachings were around long before the bible was even written. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
All law comes from God in some way, shape or form my Country we are a Christian Nation. As Christians we follow Christ. We do not step on another's Faith. Even if that Faith not of Christ. if that person has no Faith at all. As Christians we know that we cannot change a person, they do that themselves. He has already stated, about a month ago, how he differs with you (or others) on the usage of these two words. Do you hope to learn something from him or he from you? If not, you are responding ... why? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
All law comes from God in some way, shape or form my Country we are a Christian Nation. As Christians we follow Christ. We do not step on another's Faith. Even if that Faith not of Christ. if that person has no Faith at all. As Christians we know that we cannot change a person, they do that themselves. What country are you from? I don't recognise it from your description. LOL! Try being smart, not a smarta$$. It is by example that we put--thoughts into someone. What that person does with that thinking is all up to them. Some see it as it is, love. Others see it as it isn't, force. The truth is that one cannot force another to accept anything. Such force is just one saying that they accept, it isn't true acceptance of God. Such a thing is a personal choice. If being Christian makes you so moral, why have so many Christians done so many evil things? Being Christian makes me BETTER at being moral. All of us have freewill not to be moral. You are a very good example of that FACT. Ethics would be man made. They do follow the lines of Gods morals. But they are gray lines, wishy-washy. One example is love. We find in love, least I do, that it is made for one man and one woman. This is for procreation. The stable place for children. This would be morals. Mans ethics say that love can be between one man and more then one woman. And or two men or two ladies. Or any combination there in other then one man and one woman. Christ had absolutely nothing to say on this issue, so where are you you getting your information from. Please quote the source. God is Three in One. I don't care if you belive that. I do. God, Holy Spirit and Christ makes up the three. So any quote from the Bible comes from Christ Himself. What this boils down to is what a society is willing to accept in general. Just because a majority accept ethics does not make it right morally or ethically. A simple look a Darwin tells us the such relationships as being gay yield nothing for the society in the short term of long term. It is born of self-gratification and gives nothing of use to the whole of society. Not true. There is a whole lot more that can be done to benefiting society that just breeding. A lot of great advancements have been made by gays, possibly because they are not distractracted and burdened with childrearing. Besides, homosexuality is found in other species. LOL! BAWahahahahahahah! Your excuses are lame and a damn good reflection of your ignorance of the subject. Over the years my dog made many advancements of dumping in the neighbors yard in place of mine. Someone had to be distractracted and burdened with childrearing in order to bring you fool butt into this world and you show your appreciation by calling it a distractracted and burdened? How magnanimous of you!!! Besides, homosexuality is found in other species!LOL! No they go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. it seems you are not yet fully mature. See what gerbilling has done to the animal kingdom? ;-) She/He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else. ~Benjamin Franklin Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
It feels so good when he stops? Janice |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
you do understand that All the 13 original colonies were pre revolution called colonies. So having Maryland as a Catholic colony wasnt that big of a deal. As a state it couldn't and didn't have that. Utah on the otherhand is a religious state in that Mormons run it and make pretty much all the decisions there. But again why would anyone with any sense want to live in Utah to begin with.your country was based on secularism. They didn't want religion interfering in Gov't. This is something that the socalled southern bible thumping representatives conveniently forget when they spew their dreck about a christian country. You also misinterpret spiritualism with religion. They obviously were not big fans otherwise they wouldnt have made sure that NO establishment of a federal religion is allowed. Personally, I could care less about mangers on city property. If someone wants to spend their own money to put up the display then let them. But be assured that any muslim, jew, hindu, buddhist, or any religion should also be allowed to display their "beliefs" on public land. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11354 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Skill, you asked "why would anyone with any sense want to live in Utah". I answer that the skiing can be really good! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... For several reasons. 1. I can talk to whoever I feel like. It is an open forum isn't it? 2. I genuinely am curious about his thought processes. 3. I am actually concerned about him and want to help him 4. He has the vote. Don't we have a duty to America to educate people like this seeing as their school system clearly hasn't? Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30591 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Skill, you asked "why would anyone with any sense want to live in Utah". I answer that the skiing can be really good! You can collect a nice fat federal paycheck working at the Internal Revenue Service Center. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
1 reason not to: It is bad luck to mess with crazy people. Janice |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Is this supposed to be answer? I don't have to try to be smart. I am well aware I am smart. Anyone's opinion here on my intelligence is irrelevant. Especially yours.
Do you genuinely believe that? It concerns me every time I hear someone claim that the only reason they are moral is because they believe in God. Being moral should be based on compassion for others and empathy. Not because a book translated from ancient Aramaic to Latin and finally to English (with lots of mistakes made in between) tells you so. All of us have freewill not to be moral. You are a very good example of that FACT. How so? Because I came to the conclusion that we should help the sick and needy, that we should treat others as we would be treated? That I believe that none of us are in a position to judge someone else? Yes, I can see how far my moral code is from yours.
You know that stuff is made up right? By people. By people who were trying to use it to gain power and keep it.
This really is a nasty and very unChristian post. Do you really think some vile sentiments make Christians look like good decent people? You are quite a disgrace..and a hypocrite. Right now you are communicating your ideas, which really are small minded and mean spirted on a computer. A computer you would not have it it weren't for the work of a man named Allan Turing. He was gay. You owe him. Someone had to be distractracted and burdened with childrearing in order to bring you fool butt into this world and you show your appreciation by calling it a distractracted and burdened? How magnanimous of you!!! More Christian insults? I won't reply in kind. I shall turn the other cheek. Someone once said that you know. He said "turn the other cheek". Of course as I haven't even personally insulted you, you don't really have a reason to turn the other cheek. You are just being petty and nasty. Yes, childrearing is a burden. Do you know the definition of a burden? Childrearing takes an enormous amount of time and effort. You should thank your mother, for clearly you are obvious to all the sacrifices she made for you sake and seem to think that just your presence is gift to the world enough to make up for it. Besides, homosexuality is found in other species!LOL! No they go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. it seems you are not yet fully mature. See what gerbilling has done to the animal kingdom? ;-) Please, please, please stop saying silly things. Its painful and it really does make you look bad. I am trying so hard to help you, meet me halfway. She/He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else. What a strangely irrelevant quote. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
1 reason not to: True, true. I should know that. But I really do feel so sorry for him. :(( I really do. He seems so lost and fragile. Reality Internet Personality |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
The only separation of Church and state is the one that forbids one Church to fit all at the federal level. Ignoring the 14th Amendment? I realize that you have issues with most of the amendments, though the FFs realized that the constitution was not a perfect document, and from time to time would need to be updated, so they provided mechanisms for updates. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
1 reason not to: Welllllll, thank you. However, Skildude and betreger are in more need of your help then I am. LOL! Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
1 reason not to: No. You really don't have a clue what you are talking about most of the time...and you believe all sorts of weird stuff that is just plain wrong. That article you posted earlier was so wrong in so many places I didn't even know where to start. Your world must be very frightening. Reality Internet Personality |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
1 reason not to: No, I'm spot on and true and correct in my history. Your revisionist history just wont due. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Skill, you asked "why would anyone with any sense want to live in Utah". I answer that the skiing can be really good! The skiing is an excuse for a visit, it is not an excuse to live there. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
1 reason not to: You should have stopped there a while and watched the first link on the right. How Religious Were the Founding Fathers? - Gordon Wood |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
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