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Message 1335808 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 14:23:06 UTC
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Message 1335829 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 15:25:44 UTC

In 1967 on a trip through the Mediterranean and up through Europe to the UK I met a group of 8 teachers from Northern Ireland. They were of different faiths but agreed on one thing. That the segregation of kids by religion in Northern Ireland only agrevated the situation there.

1967 was before the violence broke out there.

For me there should be no religion in schools what so ever. If the parents want them to have formal faith education then Sunday Schools is the place for it. Even though I know the extra funding provided by some religions improves the education standards.

Not that I am really in favour of that either.

Should children be forced into the religion of their parents?

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Message 1335836 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 15:58:00 UTC

Your god is a big boy, he can stand up for himself.
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Message 1335846 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 16:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 1335836.

Your god is a big boy, he can stand up for himself.

I thought he was ALL POWERFUL. Such a being would tell puny man to get out of the way. The devil however might need man's assistance.

Message 1335849 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 17:10:29 UTC

I believe until they are of age, they should be taught the religion of their parent's choice. That is a parent's right, I think.

My position is that yes, parents have the right to 'force' their religion upon their children


R. Dawkins has made it Quite Clear, doing The Above Quoted is ABUSE. And IGNORE Agrees with R. D.

Christians have Stood Up For GOD for Millenia with BLOOD DRIPPING from Sword, Lance, Dagger, Club, Arrow, Fist, etc etc etc.

IGNORE Say: The Devil Made Me Do It.
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Message 1335850 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 17:15:23 UTC - in response to Message 1335849.

I believe until they are of age, they should be taught the religion of their parent's choice. That is a parent's right, I think.

My position is that yes, parents have the right to 'force' their religion upon their children


R. Dawkins has made it Quite Clear, doing The Above Quoted is ABUSE. And IGNORE Agrees with R. D.

Christians have Stood Up For GOD for Millenia with BLOOD DRIPPING from Sword, Lance, Dagger, Club, Arrow, Fist, etc etc etc.

IGNORE Say: The Devil Made Me Do It.


And now R.D. IS Standing Up, with Mouth Frothing ... . Rue the day when he (or his ilk) also picks up a weapon. It will happen.

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Message 1335853 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 17:18:56 UTC - in response to Message 1335833.



Should children be forced into the religion of their parents?

I believe until they are of age, they should be taught the religion of their parent's choice. That is a parent's right, I think.

After that, they should have learned enough to either accept their parent's religion or find own, should they chose to do so.

I was publicly schooled, with a few 'Sunday school' classes from time to time.
I don't see as it helped me much, I ran wild until really just a number of years ago when the teachings took hold and I saw they were quite right.

I don't really try to FORCE my religion upon anybody. But that does not mean I shall not voice it when I feel the inclination.

Voice it all you want, but you and your kids aren't the only ones in school. I am quite sure that if someone was forcing your kids to recite muslim prayers at school you'd be the first one to complain about it. So let's keep religion out of it. I find it offensive and don't want it near my children.
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You are all free to make your own choices, whatever they may be. If, in some way, I can influences them, so be it.

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Hope I made myself clear.
My position is that yes, parents have the right to 'force' their religion upon their children up to the age of consent.
After that, I believe they are released from consent and have the right to form their own opinions, even if they vote democratic.

And likewise, i have the right to keep it away from my kids. I don't want them indocronated with ridiculous beliefs. Keep it out of schools.

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Message 1335913 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 21:09:35 UTC
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Is faith supposed to be a good or a bad thing?

Should you believe in God, or should you believe in the Devil?

Many people who are running this project does not believe in God because they are not able to see that there are so many things which are not that good which are also happening. Such things are typically attributed to the inner workings of nature.

Better believe in the Devil rather than God.

Definitely religion is not very well taught in many schools today. One of the reason is that religion which we may assume as be relating or pertaining to God rather is showing up as the Devil instead.

Religion is being taught in order for us to believe in something. This "something" may end up be believing in God, or rather the opposite thing - the presence or existence of the Devil.

The Devil in fact may be having both many names as well as other faces. You may know him as "Satan" (which is an ugly word or name, by the way). Also skip the "D" and you rather end up with "evil" instead.

Are we doing science for good or for wrong by crunching numbers which may be of interest to scientists?

The possible existence of other intelligent civilizations in our Milky Way galaxy or other places in the Universe does not necessarily tell us more or give an explanation for why both God and Evil is present and co-existing side by side. Also the possible existence of God or the Evil does not always explain the Universe as we know it. Some people think it came into existence by means of randomness and coincidence. Other people see a divine creation behind everything.

Still, while we are assuming that God is the creator of everything and not the Devil, creation and destruction is still a process which goes side by side and is related to each other. Everything we know about in nature is either matter or its corresponding energy which is being represented by particles.

Energy can sometimes be found or created in enormous amounts because of the laws of physics which tells us that energy can be created from matter by means of fusion processes. This is something which is known to be happening in the central cores of stars. Whether or not matter or energy is the most important factor for the existence of the Universe is a question for the scientists to answer and explain.

In the same way, both God and Evil may be found inside ourselves as human beings. As long as we are of flesh and blood, sins can never be totally excluded and it is up to God to give us forgiveness for our sins (or absolution if you happen to be a Catholic).

In the end, there is nothing new in this story.

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Message 1335979 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 1:06:46 UTC

Part of an answer for you Mark.
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Message 1335993 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 2:02:00 UTC
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A small correction to my previous posting. There became a "not" to much in the third paragraph.

It should rather read as follows:

Many people who are running this project does not believe in God because they are not able to see that there are so many things which are (that) good which are also happening. Such things are typically attributed to the inner workings of nature.

Hope this makes it clearer.

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Message 1336001 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 2:35:54 UTC

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/02/living-on-a-prayer/

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Message 1336006 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 2:56:02 UTC - in response to Message 1336001.
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Hi Robert.

If you watch the picture of God with a gun in his right arm on that web-page, my best guess is that freedom of expression or speech is not necessarily the same as freedom of "belief".

Meaning that such a picture may go well for some people who are supposed to believe, but not so well for others. The same may very likely happen to those of us here who are either agnostics or atheists. They may either like or dislike this picture.

My best guess is that religion is not anything better off when such ideas of creationism are being displayed or portrayed.

Thinking a little about it - I guess you may be right on this since it was me that mentioned the Devil. Still ...

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Message 1336054 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 6:05:03 UTC - in response to Message 1336006.

Hi Robert.

If you watch the picture of God with a gun in his right arm on that web-page, my best guess is that freedom of expression or speech is not necessarily the same as freedom of "belief".

Meaning that such a picture may go well for some people who are supposed to believe, but not so well for others. The same may very likely happen to those of us here who are either agnostics or atheists. They may either like or dislike this picture.

My best guess is that religion is not anything better off when such ideas of creationism are being displayed or portrayed.

Thinking a little about it - I guess you may be right on this since it was me that mentioned the Devil. Still ...

How about freedom from belief? Aren't we entitled to that?
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Message 1336055 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 6:06:55 UTC - in response to Message 1336001.

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/02/living-on-a-prayer/

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Message 1336061 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 6:22:06 UTC

I should rephrase the question to ask what percentage of the US population purports that the ACLU speaks for them?

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