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Message 1402906 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 4:48:55 UTC - in response to Message 1402901.  

Here is the secret: you use solutions where they work, and not where they will not. For where they will not work: you find another solution.

It sure beats putting your head in the sand and saying there is no problem.

Can you say nuclear power generation?

Can you say global population reduction?

Solutions waiting for implementation.

Probably yes, and one way would be to increase efforts in education.
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Message 1402977 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 8:29:36 UTC

As far as being unproven, Pneumatic tubes are a very well proven technology and certainly not new.

A local dept store in South London in the mid 50's used a pneumatic tube system The sales counters didn't have tills, the bill and the tendered money, got sent via a slug to a central cashiers office, where the receipt and change was sent back to the particular counter. It was too cumbersome and costly to maintain. Worked for that application, I can't see it being used to transport people. The flight time from SFO to LAX is one hour, is it really worth spending $7 Billion dollars to cut that down to 1/2 an hour?

The entire thing would be powered by solar panels mounted on top of the tube.

Oh that's ok then, so we can't use it at night, so what? It will never happen folks!


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Message 1403143 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 18:45:10 UTC - in response to Message 1402977.  

Chris, solar can feed excess back to the grid, providing additional power, and at night the conserved resources when demand is less.
These might be cogeneration, nuclear, wind(many areas are quite windy at night in California) hydro can easily fill the difference.

If the power generated exceeds the power used, and more is produced during peak demands then it can be said to be self powering.

As with Tesla, they said it would never happen and it is. Same with SpaceX. This guy has a track record of getting things done. While it is not a solution to all the problems, I would not be quick to dismiss it too quickly. Right of ways along the I5 corridor should be wide enough, and the primary this route would have been suggested is it is primarily straight and flat. Outlet tubes at alternate spots along the route should not be difficult to engineer. And in fact this project has been sent for further engineering. Case: open.

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Message 1403152 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 19:18:52 UTC

Chris, solar can feed excess back to the grid, providing additional power, and at night the conserved resources when demand is less.

Soft, we know about feed-in tariffs, and a property also has to be band D or above EPC rating to get the higher rate. The payback period for a domestic solar installation doesn't cost in at present.





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Message 1403155 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 19:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 1403152.  

this is not a domestic solar installation, it would be pure industrialized. And we are talking about a payback in total kilowatt hours used. That is what makes it "self powering"( and the self powering/solar thing I am not sure who put that in, but I do not recall hearing about it for this project, although less fuel than flying seems an EASILY obtainable goal.

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Message 1403159 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 19:29:37 UTC

The main thrust at the moment is a reduced carbon footprint. This tube thingy is a non starter. Sitting on a palne for an hur you can read areport and plan a business meeting, lying prone in a tube would be rather more difficult. Space elevators to low earth orbit are theoretically possible but will never happen either. Throwing billions at this might make it work, but who would want to use it? Would you?

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Message 1403236 - Posted: 14 Aug 2013, 22:05:05 UTC - in response to Message 1403159.  

Um.. yes, yes I would. I think you assume much to assume you would need to lay prone the entire trip. And reasonably, he has billions at his disposal, and can acquire further billions. Is this so different ( and his cost analysis shows significantly LESS) than high speed rail?

seat belts fastened, in a pod, take out your reading material.. and quite possibly in and out a lot faster than it takes you to get molested at the airport.

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Message 1403268 - Posted: 15 Aug 2013, 0:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 1403236.  

seat belts fastened, in a pod, take out your reading material.. and quite possibly in and out a lot faster than it takes you to get molested at the airport.

It is mass transit, you will still have to be molested, still have to take the shuttle from the parking to the station ...

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Message 1403377 - Posted: 15 Aug 2013, 9:34:05 UTC

As long as there's more legroom than an economy class flight, i'd be happy to take it.
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1403389 - Posted: 15 Aug 2013, 10:07:43 UTC

This appears to show screens in front of each passenger. By the time you've waited for Windows to load it would be time to get out.

If this happens I'll donate £100 to Seti@home. I wont bother to save up ......

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Message 1404124 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 3:05:09 UTC
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What a difference a little insulation makes:


Households cut energy use by a quarter

... increasing use of energy efficiency measures, such as insulation, double-glazing and new boilers, may also be playing its part. ...



Now how do we drag the building industry screaming and kicking to build better more efficient and affordable livable homes rather than their present ramshackle throw-ups that are unimaginative and built for the convenience of the builder?...


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Message 1404147 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 4:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 1404124.  

Now how do we drag the building industry screaming and kicking to build better more efficient and affordable livable homes rather than their present ramshackle throw-ups that are unimaginative and built for the convenience of the builder?...

Oh, yes! Rip down 80% of the world's houses, burn the wood so we don't landfill it releasing the stored carbon and then use billions of tons of oil and massive amounts of old growth forest to put up new modern houses in their place. You, have such good plans Martin.

Oh wait, they already did it. Title 24.

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Message 1404245 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 9:23:10 UTC

Households cut energy use by a quarter

Households in England and Wales cut their energy use by a quarter over a six year period, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). Average consumption of gas and electricity fell by 24.7% between 2005 and 2011.

Yay! home insulation works folks!

Oh dear, hang on a minute ...

Customers have faced steep increases in bills over the period, and may be economising as a result.

Of course they damn well are you fools! The regulator, Ofgem, said that bills have risen by 28% in the last three years. It's got naff all to do with insulation it's simple home economics.

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Message 1404539 - Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 4:57:36 UTC

Well here in New York the frost line is 3 feet down. So just build a hobbit house and you can save big bucks. That is untill the utilitys lose money and raise the rates.
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Message 1404651 - Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 11:00:14 UTC

That is untill the utilitys lose money and raise the rates.

Exactly!!!

Take petrol (Gas) prices. In the UK people generally buy petrol in multiples of £5 up to what they can afford to pay, say £20 a week for example. If the price of petrol rises, they still only spend the same £20 but of course get less petrol for their money, and therefore have to drive less miles as a result. The petrol companies see their income staying static but wholesale prices rising, so they raise their prices again. Joe Bloggs at the pump still only pays the £20 he can afford, and cuts back his mileage even further. Up go the prices again ......

You can clearly see the vicious downward spiral there. And it's the same for Gas, electricity, water, telecomms, or any other utility supplied service. People will only pay what they can afford to, if the cost goes up they use less. Simple economics. But when it gets to the stage where old age pensioners die of cold because they can't afford to switch a fire on to keep warm, then it is quite a different situation.

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Message 1405003 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 12:06:44 UTC

Coasts should prepare for rising seas

NEW YORK (AP) -- A presidential task force charged with developing a strategy for rebuilding areas damaged by Superstorm Sandy has issued a report recommending 69 policy initiatives, most focused on a simple warning: Plan for future storms in an age of climate change and rising sea levels.
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Message 1405013 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 12:58:04 UTC - in response to Message 1404147.  

Oh, yes! Rip down 80% of the world's houses, burn the wood so we don't landfill it releasing the stored carbon and then use billions of tons of oil and massive amounts of old growth forest to put up new modern houses in their place. You, have such good plans Martin.

Oh wait, they already did it. Title 24.

I think the suggestion was that new houses should be built to the higher standards, as should the replacements for the old houses when they need rebuilding.
Knocking down existing good houses and rebuilding them would be the equivalent of the scrappage scheme for cars.
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Message 1405660 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 21:53:35 UTC

UN Agenda 21 pretty much sums it all up.

We all want clean air, water, land and food, but phony environmentalism is designed to create fear in order to implement the policies of tyranny. For example, the Globalists used global warming fear mongering in order to usher in the Cap & Trade and carbon tax schemes without debate.

Like I said Money, Power, Control.
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Message 1405674 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 22:17:45 UTC - in response to Message 1405660.  
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We all want clean air, water, land and food, but phony environmentalism is designed to create fear in order to implement the policies of tyranny. For example, the Globalists used global warming fear mongering in order to usher in the Cap & Trade and carbon tax schemes without debate.

Like I said Money, Power, Control.

So... For your conspiracy theory... Where do your unidentified 'Globalists' gain profit? Whereas the immediately identified fossil fuels industry are already profiteering from their unchecked pollution at everyone else's expense...

Why do we need any conspiracy theories when we already have certain parts of industry already directly profiting from holding onto the said "Money, Power, Control"?


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Message 1406852 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 11:30:24 UTC

So to stop the rise in sea level, we find some way to send all the rain to Australia.

Australian floods of 2010 and 2011 caused global sea level to drop

Puzzled oceanographers who wondered where the sea level rise went for 18 months now have their answer – it went to Australia


But Australia, as any Australian will proudly claim, is different.

Rain that falls in the outback of the largest island - also the smallest continent - tends to dribble away into inland waterways and seemingly get lost, without ever making it to the coast, or to collect in shallow inland seas and stay there till it evaporates.
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