The solution is to kill off >99% of the human population so the remaining <1% can ...

That's the only real solution.

If we want to save our only planet...

We should not need anything like as drastic as that.


Hopefully, our civilization can advance far enough for education, politics and cooperation to save our civilization from a bad bust after our industrial boom.


Here's hoping for the next Age of Man... The Age of Green Enlightenment?

All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Is this a solution of 'realism' or procrastination?

IEA's Didier Houssin: the world's energy future is not hopeless

... Didier Houssin of the International Energy Agency

... "The present world energy system is still not compatible with a two degree scenario," Houssin admits. "We are probably somewhere between the 4C and 6C degrees. We use the scenario to make it clear that to mitigate our impact on climate and environment we need to rethink policies and the industrial system."

So far, the worst mistake has been to underestimate the role of emerging economies as contributors to the rise in global emissions. ...

... Coal-based power generation "has by far outweighed the growth from non-fossil energy sources. That has been the case for the last 10 years. ...

... Houssin is putting his hope in a sharp decline of carbon emission by 2050, to avoid warming of up to 6C. "We see a future where the power system is almost entirely decarbonised," he says, "and this definition doesn't mean that we only rely on renewables. Much can be achieved by implementing electric vehicles, for example. We should also invest more in carbon capture and storage, because a fair amount of CO2 will always be there and needs to be removed from the atmosphere."

Renewable technologies will play a prominent role in his map of a future decarbonised world: "In our best case scenario renewables would represent about 57% of total power generation. ...

... innovation will be needed to make the available technologies more competitive and effective.

But he maintains that the ultimate potential for change lies in people. "The awareness about climate change is growing, because we've started to see it happening, as natural disasters tend to multiply, for example. The problem is that over the last years the economic crisis became more serious, and people have tended to focus on problems such as unemployment, low salaries, energy bills."

But the outlook will be poor without a long-term vision that encompasses changes in individuals' behaviour. "Better energy management also means less consumption and lower bills...


Whichever, developments need to move away from continued CO2 pollution, and more quickly. Whether that means going clean, green, or just less intensive!


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And any movement to force power copmanys or any company that produces C02 to pay a carbon tax will just be passed on to us the consumer. All your green dreams if they were really viable would take off and fly with out Gov. subsidies.

The last I knew humans and most other living things breath oxygen and exhale C02. Well there are a hell of lot more humans in the last 100 years. I know lets put a carbon tax on breathing.

Lets sink more money into Fusion. Just another 50 years and we will have it. Trouble is Ive seen that every ten years for the last 50 yeas.

Martin, I personally belive global warming is true. But all your pie in the sky cures are not fiscally possible for the vast majority of poeple.

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And any movement to force power copmanys or any company that produces C02 to pay a carbon tax will just be passed on to us the consumer. All your green dreams if they were really viable would take off and fly with out Gov. subsidies.

Indeed so, that is the nature of their business. However, you already get to pay extra in the subsidies and tax breaks given to fossil fuels and in ignoring their pollution.

We get a big win all round by going clean. However for that, we need to break away from the fossil fuels funded FUD and sabotage. There are already better ways than their old style pollution. Unfortunately, we can expect ever more intense FUD as the old-style power plants string out their operation for as long as possible for extra dirty profits.

New clean power plants do cost slightly more to be clean. Their payback though is greater profit for everyone in the world...

The last I knew humans and most other living things breath oxygen and exhale C02. Well there are a hell of lot more humans in the last 100 years. I know lets put a carbon tax on breathing.

The excess CO2 from biology including our population is insignificant to that being industrially produced... One human operator of a machine can easily dump many millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year...

Lets sink more money into Fusion. Just another 50 years and we will have it. Trouble is Ive seen that every ten years for the last 50 yeas.

And have you seen what happens to the funding and politics?!... We could have had power-station-scale fusion over a decade ago just for the cost of a few oil wells or one transcontinental oil pipeline... All a game of priorities?

Hell! The BP Gulf Oil Spill payouts could have instead funded multiple parallel fusion development programs... Why is BP or the USA not investing in that...?

Martin, I personally belive global warming is true. But all your pie in the sky cures are not fiscally possible for the vast majority of poeple.

Exactly so at the moment. Which is where the politics and fiscal practices need to evolve to survive. However, the fossil fuels industry has a lot of fiscal lobbying power to corruptly procrastinate their prominence for years to come yet...

How long has the tobacco industry FUD machine been successfully running? And for how much longer yet for continued dirty deadly practices?...


Amazing stuff for which children can't believe that adults can be so selfishly stupid!

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... Hopefully, our civilization can advance far enough for education, politics and cooperation to save our civilization from a bad bust after our industrial boom.


Here's hoping for the next Age of Man... The Age of Green Enlightenment?

There may be innate hope yet:


Selfish traits not favoured by evolution, study shows

Evolution does not favour selfish people, according to new research.

This challenges a previous theory which suggested it was preferable to put yourself first.

Instead, it pays to be co-operative...


... "Darwin himself was puzzled about the co-operation you observe in nature. He was particularly struck by social insects," he explained.

"You might think that natural selection should favour individuals that are exploitative and selfish, but in fact we now know after decades of research that this is an oversimplified view of things, particularly if you take into account the selfish gene feature of evolution.

"It's not individuals that have to survive, its genes, and genes just use individual organisms - animals or humans - as vehicles to propagate themselves."

"Selfish genes" therefore benefit from having co-operative organisms.


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The only true solution for Global Warming is to get all the pundits to commit suicide at the same time LOL

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I'm not sure that that article or some of the people who have commented on it actually understand the selfish gene. It is not about individuals it is about the "selfish gene" within the species, so that you and your kind gain a benefit over your competitors. Within your species there has to be cooperation or your species is the one to die out.

I'm not sure that that article or some of the people who have commented on it actually understand the selfish gene. It is not about individuals it is about the "selfish gene" within the species, so that you and your kind gain a benefit over your competitors. Within your species there has to be cooperation or your species is the one to die out.

Competitors can also mean your fellow species. IE. He, They have more than I, We do,So I, We, Must get rid of him or them and take his or thier stuff.

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I'm not sure that that article or some of the people who have commented on it actually understand the selfish gene. It is not about individuals it is about the "selfish gene" within the species, so that you and your kind gain a benefit over your competitors. Within your species there has to be cooperation or your species is the one to die out.

Competitors can also mean your fellow species. IE. He, They have more than I, We do,So I, We, Must get rid of him or them and take his or thier stuff.

What you are implying there is the species has met a situation where the species divides. Such as Darwin's finches.

The finches were all the same species originally, and the successful ones adapted to the different conditions found on each island. The ones that didn't probably died out.

Wiki - Text from the Origin of Species

They didn't "adapt" as such. There are always a variation of physical characteristics in any species. Some people are naturally slim, some people are naturally fat, some have blue eyes, some brown etc etc. Those that by luck of birth had the type of bill suited to their environment survived. Those that didn't died out.

Of course there is variation but not to the extent seen by Darwin, look at the illustrations and then add in the size variations, 10 to 20 cm. Darwin didn't think at first that they were all sub-species of the finches of South America.

Starved polar bear perished due to record sea-ice melt, says expert

Climate change has reduced ice in the Arctic to record lows in the past year, forcing animals to range further in search of food

This 16-year-old male polar bear died of starvation resulting from the lack of ice on which to hunt seals.

A starved polar bear found found dead in Svalbard as "little more than skin and bones" perished due to a lack of sea ice on which to hunt seals, according to a polar bear expert.

And before I'm asked, no I don't have a solution, wish I did.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/12/news/economy/hyperloop-elon-musk/index.html

People are still thinking. And have you seen TSLA stock lately?

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they do not. Yet people still fly there on a daily basis.
As far as being unproven, Pneumatic tubes are a very well proven technology and certainly not new.

And doing things the same dumb way never solved anything.

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Mr. Musk forgets one has to buy the land. California couldn't do it in the 1970's for freeways and hasn't been able since. While he promises a 30 minute trip, how many stations and stops are going to be required in between? To top is off, California doesn't need a people mover nearly as much as it needs a cargo mover to get the stuff out of the ports and on to the rest of the USA.

The Alameda Corridor has helped in the City of Los Angeles, but the state needs this project extended to get the cargo completely outside metropolitan areas and get a fast backbone down the state to get the farm products to market other than by HGV on freeway.

I see he proposed a route by I5. There is a reason he picked that. It avoids all the major population centers in California's central valley. That way he can not have stops and stations. But I doubt there will be enough people to fill one of his tubes as there aren't that many who make his exclusive route. Might be nice for him, but ...

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With all the focus on "high tech" solutions it is all to easy to overlook some very simple technologies:
Water into light
OK it will not work everywhere, but in some parts of the world its a really good bright idea

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With all the focus on "high tech" solutions it is all to easy to overlook some very simple technologies:
Water into light
OK it will not work everywhere, but in some parts of the world its a really good bright idea

That is a simple and neat idea. The 'modern' 'high tech' version has been around for some time using an expensive fisheye glass lens on the roof concentrating the outside natural light into a stainless steel tube mirror that then 'pipes' the light into whatever rooms.

I wonder how much energy is wasted in gloomy offices with electric lights switched on to replace what comes naturally for free?

OK, so you'll still need electric lights for when the sun don't shine, but you can still make bright and pleasant savings all round...


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I wonder how much energy is wasted in gloomy offices with electric lights switched on to replace what comes naturally for free?

OK, so you'll still need electric lights for when the sun don't shine, but you can still make bright and pleasant savings all round...

And what do you do in a 50 story building? Won't the top floor be taken up with thousands of light tubes going to the lower floors?

An example of green engineering group think. Scalability failure.

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Here is the secret: you use solutions where they work, and not where they will not. For where they will not work: you find another solution.

It sure beats putting your head in the sand and saying there is no problem.

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Here is the secret: you use solutions where they work, and not where they will not. For where they will not work: you find another solution.

It sure beats putting your head in the sand and saying there is no problem.

Can you say nuclear power generation?

Can you say global population reduction?

Solutions waiting for implementation.

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