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Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
Interesting Peak wind Is coming So wind farms may not be the magic silver bullet that some think (as some on this thread have already pointed out). And. The authors of this paper is are "true believers". T.A. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Interesting Lewis Page seems well threaded among denialists. If you consider him a "true believer" please provide source. Otherwise I consider this incorrect at best, or intentionally misleading more likely. A third stronger term I will withold in the interest of civility. Janice |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
wind mills are by their vary nature poorly designed to directly produce electricity. wind mills are best suited to high Torque low rpm variable applications. (peak wind is coming) assumes the worst possible outcome of badly designed wind mills and while making some valid points grossly over estimates the difficulty of generating large amounts of wind power. I have long promoted the idea of using wind mills to pump water back up behind hydro dams for a second or third pass through the water turbines. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
Maybe this belongs in the "Beer Drinkers" thread over in the Cafe :) Panasonic: We'll save Earth by turning CO2 INTO BOOZE The heading is a bit of a joke but the idea of turning CO2 directly into ethanol has its merits. T.A. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
Interesting I was referring to Prof David Keith who is a co-author of the paper the article is about. From the article It should be made clear that Professor Keith is starting from the position that global warming is still definitely on ..... and that humanity must go carbon-free or anyway carbon-very-low within a lifetime, BTW. did you bother to read the actual paper (the link is in the article), or are you just shooting from the hip ? T.A. Edited for clarity, as some seem to have difficulty with the difference between an "article" and a "paper". |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
or are you just shooting from the hip ? So I'm not the only one wondering if some deny the true seriousness of the problem faced by the human race. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
So I'm not the only one wondering if some deny the true seriousness of the problem faced by the human race. I'm not sure if they deny the seriousness of the problem or if they have been hoodwinked by the simplistic propaganda that all can be fixed with a single wave of a wind powered/solar powered magic wand. T.A. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So I'm not the only one wondering if some deny the true seriousness of the problem faced by the human race. Yes, it could be a simple failure to understand the required engineering and sociopolitical changes of a solution to meet the targets of the models of warming. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
So I'm not the only one wondering if some deny the true seriousness of the problem faced by the human race. ============================================================================= the first thing needed are good models for weather prediction, the current estimate is 1200 peteflops to produce a weather map for the world 1 week out. at this time no one has that kind of computer power with the possible exception of the nsa. one week out is not nearly good enough to start monkeying with the weather to promote global cooling. thankfully the world will not end tomorrow if we don't do something imeaditately, though soon is good. wind, tidal, solar, and nuclear are just part of a solution, the vary nature of the infrastructure that allows us to live as we do will need to be re examined and made more efficient so that everyone can live at a similar level without destroying the planet. so nobody is denying that there is a problem but it did not get broken over night nor will it be fixed over night. that being said what can you do? build a monster gaming machine with grate gpu's so when the realy large weather models are written you can help run them. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Just a reminder of why we should care for our only planet, and of a pretty nice way of how for just one example: In pictures: Landmark: The Fields of Photography ... the perception of our changing planet... The technology that could 'revolutionise' how we light the world Kick-started by the invention of the light bulb, the way we illuminate our homes and our lives is ever-changing - particularly in a world where the challenge is to light more, but to consume less energy. ... ... But what is it that makes something beautifully lit, and what role does technological innovation play in illuminating both our buildings and our state of well-being?... Living here shouldn't cost the earth for everything else. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I propose we make any kind of lighting illegal. That includes candles, whale oillamps and any kind of fossil fuel lighting, Including wood fires untill wind,solar, hydro and nuke power can totally take 100% of the power needs. That would reduce C02 emissions. It would be the end of humans but so what the Earth would be better off in the long run. Untill the sun expands and vaporises the earth any way. Look LEDs are fine I have a few of them my self. They cost more and most offer the same lumens for the watts as CFLs so I havent made the switch to them for that very reason. I do have 99% of my home converted to CFls. [/quote] Old James |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... until wind, solar, hydro and nuke power can totally take 100% of the power needs. We can work towards that. No 'sudden big bang' change needed provided we do make the change soon enough. That would reduce C02 emissions. It would be the end of humans but so what the Earth would be better off in the long run. Untill the sun expands and vaporises the earth any way. Such is the impermanence of our existence. That's still no reason or excuse to trash the existence we do have for everyone. Look LEDs are fine I have a few of them my self. They cost more and most offer the same lumens for the watts as CFLs so I havent made the switch to them for that very reason. I do have 99% of my home converted to CFLs. Good stuff. And hopefully, something yet better will become available. Meanwhile, if what you have is working well, no need to change until there is good reason to for efficiency/effect. Better yet would be to make frivolous Marketing driven 'consumerism' 'illegal'... That would save the world enough to buy us more than enough years to turn around the unfavorable Human forced climate change... All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
There has to be a better way than this: BP appeal over 'absurd' Gulf oil spill payouts The compensation settlement - like the disaster - is one of the biggest in US history Shame the CO2 pollution cannot also be so directly seen... And we are risking the same sort of disaster again in the so far pristine Arctic?! Meanwhile, I wonder if the present crazy jet stream meander and resultant extreme weather across Europe, Russia, and parts of the USA are a consequence of the reduced ice in the Arctic... All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
It would help if all parties agree to agree/disagree with scientific findings..... ..& it would help if the scientists got their facts right before commencing a world wide scare allowing politicians to jump on the bandwagon to rip us all off! The Great Green Con No 1 |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
It would help if all parties agree to agree/disagree with scientific findings..... The chickens are finally coming home to roost, and why? because it's starting to get cold out there. But of course, this will all be down to man-made global cooling now...CO2 blamed for causing the earth to cool down. If the planet is starting to cool down then it will have started a little sooner than I had expected it to. I gave global warming at least another 25 years to go before this warming cycle came to an end but may be I calculated the start date incorrectly in the first instance. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Be careful in your statistical understanding. For instance. If the statement were that they are 99% sure that the temperature would be within a given range then the range would be much wider and the the black line of actual temperature would be within the 99% prediction interval. Kind of confusing isn't it--but think about it. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Be careful in your statistical understanding. For instance. If the statement were that they are 99% sure that the temperature would be within a given range then the range would be much wider and the the black line of actual temperature would be within the 99% prediction interval. And the 100% band would be infinitely wide. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The "Global Warming" muppets ought to be reading this report...... Cold, not global warming is the threat Minister "We've got to do something about this" PPS "No Minister. For starters, we can introduce "Green Taxes" & the more that die off early, the less the Treasury will have to pay for pensions, so it's a win win situation for us" |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The "Global Warming" muppets ought to be reading this report...... Strange scenario, Government and gas supplier driven euthanasia for the old aged. They don't actually mean to do this, the Government nor the gas suppliers, but they don't always think of the results their actions may lead to. By the way, if anyone in the UK thinks that supplies of oil and gas via the process of UK fracking will give us automatically cheaper energy will be wrong. Prices will still be fixed via world demand and unless demand drops off then prices will still stay high and possibly go even higher in the UK. Once energy via fracking satisfies home demand then the excess will be exported to earn the UK valuable foreign currency. The energy companies involved in Fracking supplies will be pushed into producing as much as they can to feed this need to export. One method adopted by our Governments will be to keep home demand down to as minimum as possible, done so via price control, i.e. making certain that we the UK public can not buy it any cheaper than those of anyone else abroad. Anyone here in the UK come across this scenario before? Yup, North Sea oil and gas circa 1960's and onwards. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The "Global Warming" muppets ought to be reading this report...... Funny how that is ... Seems like the only solution to CO2 is depopulation. |
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