Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects: Solutions

The subject was home installations, generating on site. I see we have changed the flow in order to generate more confusion. Distribution costs are in reality fixed, although they are charged on a per KWH DELIVERED basis. What you generate on site is not delivered.

I dont care how you produce the power, green or fossil you will have maintenance costs and infrastucture costs. Lines break, towers collaspe, insullation breaks down as do insulators.

Have you seen the price of copper. Expect it to go higher. As will wages.

There will never be a no cost system for power generation on a mass scale. And even for a home owner there is still maintenance costs.




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For the us at least we have a huge trade imbalance so regardless of the cost

of renewable, every barrel of oil we do not import is a plus, and should be

treated as such in the tax code and elsewhere.

As to cost of oil, there are 3 aircraft carrier task forces policing the Persian

gulf and sea lanes to the us just to protect oil as well as 1 in the

mediterranean. How much does that cost, should the oil company's pickup the real

cost of this?

As to fixed cost for distribution and power demand build out, if I install

solar on my house how are these affected? First less capacity for distribution

needs to be built, second build out for power capacity is lowered because I am

generating power during peak demand and power company's are not stupid they

reduce to hot or cold idle their most expensive plants first.

As to nuclear phase 3 nuclear only uses about 2% of the material to generate

power leaving the other 98% and anything contaminated as long lived nuclear waste.

were as phase 4 can burn the waste and can be built to passively unfocused when

overheated making meltdown impossible as well as use thorium for fuel which is

10 times more available than uranium and can't be made into bombs.

so how is the us doing with this ? We spend us money in India to do research

because it would be unpopular here.
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Just a reminder of what is happening around us all:


Arctic Death Spiral Bombshell: CryoSat-2 Confirms Sea Ice Volume Has Collapsed

The sharp drop in Arctic sea ice area has been matched by a harder-to-see, but equally sharp, drop in sea ice thickness. The combined result has been a collapse in total sea ice volume — to one fifth of its level in 1980...

... that may well usher in a permanent change toward extreme, prolonged weather events...

... [Already,] It is almost certainly too late to save the Arctic’s summer sea ice from near-total destruction. Let’s hope the same isn’t true for the biosphere. The time to act is now if we don’t want to betray our children and future generations.


Animals are already dissolving in Southern Ocean

In a small patch of the Southern Ocean, the shells of sea snails are dissolving. The finding is the first evidence that marine life is already suffering as a result of man-made ocean acidification.

"This is actually happening now,"...


Earth’s Plant Growth Fell Because of Climate Change...

Drought linked to climate change has reversed a decades-long trend of increased global plant growth...


No alternative to atmospheric CO2 draw-down

... The scale and rate of modern climate change have been greatly underestimated. The release to date of a total of over 560 billion ton of carbon through emissions from industrial and transport sources, land clearing and fires, has raised CO2 levels from about 280 parts per million (ppm) in pre-industrial periods to 397-400 ppm and near 470 ppm CO2-equivalent (a value which includes the CO2-equivalent effect of methane), reaching a current CO2 growth rate of about 2 ppm per year...


UK Climate Change Secretary Slams Deniers As ‘Dogmatic And Blinkered’

... You know, when I am confronted by some of the most dogmatic and blinkered people who deny that climate change is happening, I am reminded of the sentiment of the famous USA Today cartoon.

“If we really are wrong about climate change, we will have created a better world for nothing”.

In reality, those who deny climate change and demand a halt to emissions reduction and mitigation work, want us to take a huge gamble with the future of every human being on the planet, every future human being, our children and grand children, and every other living species.

We will not take that risk.


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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The subject was home installations, generating on site. I see we have changed the flow in order to generate more confusion. Distribution costs are in reality fixed, although they are charged on a per KWH DELIVERED basis. What you generate on site is not delivered.

True, provided the sun shines or wind blows 24/7/365 at that particular home to generate it. Otherwise you still need the offsite system as backup. Its costs continue and can not be ignored. Never mind that you also need it to remove the excess generated and distribute it to someone who isn't able to locally generate enough and to get that offsetting cash payment from the utility. It doesn't go away and just because it may presently be billed on a per KHW basis; with the reduction in everyone converting to local generation it would be billed on a per meter basis.

Unfortunately it is an entire system and you can't look at one small piece in isolation and declare problem solved, unless you aren't interested in a real solution. The planet needs real solutions and not wishful thinking.

Gary, this is just not true. The homes grid connected, you save at a RETAIL basis according to what energy you produce, and any surplus is sold back at the
wholesale rate.

1:This greatly reduces the needs for commercial production
2:Solar generated energy tends to be mostly produced during peak usage, which
reduces the need for additional capacity
3:It uses the EXISTING grid, which does not require additional infrastructure
4:It is cost effective NOW.

The rest of the FUD you try to share is part of the problem, and has nothing to do with any solutions.

Industrial installations are another part.. and your SOLUTIONS are certainly welcome in this thread.

Wind power not the solution in the UK.

Wind farms will create more carbon dioxide, say scientists

Thousands of Britain’s wind turbines will create more greenhouse gases than they save, according to potentially devastating scientific research to be published later this year.

The finding, which threatens the entire rationale of the onshore wind farm industry, will be made by Scottish government-funded researchers who devised the standard method used by developers to calculate “carbon payback time” for wind farms on peat soils.

Wind power not the solution in the UK.

Wind farms will create more carbon dioxide, say scientists

Thousands of Britain’s wind turbines will create more greenhouse gases than they save, according to potentially devastating scientific research to be published later this year.

The finding, which threatens the entire rationale of the onshore wind farm industry, will be made by Scottish government-funded researchers who devised the standard method used by developers to calculate “carbon payback time” for wind farms on peat soils.

Wind power not the solution in the UK.

Wind farms will create more carbon dioxide, say scientists ...

power company's are monopoly's city's and states set their rates yes, but never

at a rate that causes the power company to loss money.

if the power company is losing money they go before a board for a rate

adjustment.

being a monopoly big power can be at the mercy of what the market will bare

rather than competition and the lowest price.

coal dumps more radioactive waste into the environment each year than all of

nuclear power has it's history including the accidents.

if the cost of cleaning this up were included coal would be much more expensive.

oil has similar hidden costs not the least of which is our huge trade imbalance.

forcing utility's to buy power brings competition, and encourages domestic

sources of power.

many power company's encourage and even help finance energy efficient appliances

and insulation when it saves them money on projected capacity build out.

but monopoly's do not like competition even when the competition is forced to

use their power distribution lines and are guaranteed a profit because of this,

competition losses them control and, brings in to question the cost of their

practices.





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instead of providing government fertilizer maybe we should provide biochar.

how biochar works is in the nooks and crannies of the vary jagged partially

burned carbon provide a much lager surface area for for biological action to

occur generating more fertile soil and sequestering carbon.




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... how biochar works is in the nooks and crannies of the vary jagged partially burned carbon provide a much lager surface area for for biological action to occur generating more fertile soil and sequestering carbon.

I agree, we should make better use of that. See Wikipedia Biochar.

Slash and burn leaves only 3% of the carbon from the organic material in the soil. Slash and char can sequester up to 50% of the carbon in a highly stable form.

So what does leaving it rain forest sequester? Or is this more little box thinking and grabbing at straws?

So what does leaving it rain forest sequester? Or is this more little box thinking and grabbing at straws?

Have you any positivity or can you offer any solutions? Or are you so jaundiced that you have deluded yourself that nothing positive can be possible?...


Obviously... You do not have to slash rainforest to gain biochar. 'Waste' field stubble from existing fields can be used instead for just one example.


Can you try looking for positive solutions rather than doggedly trashing the world around you?... We'd love to hear your positive ingenuity...

All on our only world,
Martin

burnable trash can be converted to biochar fertilizer to be added to already

worked fields. This will sequester carbon other then field stubble, or rain

forest, or whatever was there before.


and the heat can be used as power generation in the meantime.
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burnable trash can be converted to biochar fertilizer to be added to already

worked fields. This will sequester carbon other then field stubble, or rain

forest, or whatever was there before.


and the heat can be used as power generation in the meantime.

anything inducing bone can be composted, but as a practical matter wood does not compost well and will not compost in a landfill.

partiality burning to make biochar is quicker and other trash can be burned as well just no heavy metals.
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