Deny this:

Just follow the links and we get ...
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/WebCams.html wrote:

4) Is the appearance of the pond due to global warming?

No, not specifically. These melt ponds are a normal part of the seasonal cycle of the sea ice. With respect to global warming, we are more concerned when we see warm air temperatures in the winter that inhibit ice growth and the appearance of heat in the ocean that would melt the bottom surface of the ice.

North Pole Melting Leaves Small Lake At The Top Of The World

The North Pole probably looks a bit different than you would expect right now. Because, at this very moment, it's actually a lake...



Amazingly, the fossil-fuel's sponsored Watt's Up buffoon does all the denial unimaginable!

Maybe he just did the research which someone posting here fails to do.

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Deny this:

Just follow the links and we get ...
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/WebCams.html wrote:

4) Is the appearance of the pond due to global warming?

No, not specifically. These melt ponds are a normal part of the seasonal cycle of the sea ice. With respect to global warming, we are more concerned when we see warm air temperatures in the winter that inhibit ice growth and the appearance of heat in the ocean that would melt the bottom surface of the ice.

Which is also happening. Hence the ever reducing ice coverage and ever thinning ice across that entire area.

The pool of water at the North Pole is not normally an every-year event. The whole point is that with the summer temperatures now typical for the Arctic, it is now becoming an annual event.

Beautiful how the exact same journalistic sentence can be spun both ways depending on which way you want to spin ...

North Pole Melting Leaves Small Lake At The Top Of The World

The North Pole probably looks a bit different than you would expect right now. Because, at this very moment, it's actually a lake...



Amazingly, the fossil-fuel's sponsored Watt's Up buffoon does all the denial unimaginable!

Maybe he just did the research which someone posting here fails to do.

Good to see you reading a little further. Please read on for the wider story...


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The pool of water at the North Pole is not normally an every-year event.

Every year, no, frequent yes. Continue with your delusion.

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So, American politicians slash the funding to their EPA into impotence, whilst the fossil fuels industry continue to profit from 'subsidized' pollution:


EPA chief: preventing climate change the opportunity of a lifetime

Gina McCarthy signals she is ready for political fight in optimistic first speech as head of US environmental agency

... The message was classic Obama, who has long said that the environment and the economy aren't in conflict and has sold ambitious plans to reduce greenhouse gases as a means to jumpstart a clean energy economy.

McCarthy signaled that she was ready for the fight, saying that the agency would continue issuing new rules, regardless of claims by Republicans and industry groups that under Obama the EPA has been the most aggressive and overreaching since it was formed...

... A panel in the Republican-controlled House recently signed off on a plan to cut the agency's budget by a third and attached a series of measures that McCarthy said "do everything but say the EPA can't do anything."

Yet, last week, in a victory, a federal court dismissed challenges brought by Texas and power companies to EPA's plans to regulate the largest sources of heat-trapping gases.

"Climate change will not be resolved overnight," she added. "But it will be engaged over the next three years – that I can promise you."


US government assessment of BP oil spill 'will not account for damage'

... The US government cannot hope to arrive at a full accounting of the environmental destruction caused by the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico using its current methods, an expert panel has said...

... It digs into one of the great debates arising from the BP disaster: how to put a price on oiled coastlines, and marine animals, and how to hold the company accountable for restoration.

The researchers noted that 20 million people in the US alone lived and worked around the Gulf of Mexico. Before the April 2010 disaster, the Gulf accounted for about a quarter of the country's seafood catch. It also provided about 30% of America's oil and nearly 20% of natural gas. Meanwhile, coastal wetlands provided protection against storm surges.

But the report noted: "Disruptions in the ecosystem caused by the oil spill could impair these services, leading to economic and social impacts that may not be apparent from an assessment of environmental damage alone."...

... trying to get a full accounting of the damage done to the Gulf, and the cost of restoring oiled coastlines and waters, and protecting populations of marine wildlife, such as dolphins, which have suffered die-offs since the disaster.

However, the report said it was not possible to capture the full extent of that damage with current accounting methods, which focus on tallying up the restoration costs for individual resources... "If you get stuck in the game of paying out 25 cents a crab for example, you are not really in a situation where you are understanding the broader impacts of the loss of that population," he said.

Boesch also said that putting a valuation on the environment of the Gulf might also help prevent misuse of funds. ...

... However, David Pettit, a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defence Council, argued the approach devalued the environment. "It's more human economy centred, and less centred in the idea that wild things and wild places have an inherent value – whether or not they make somebodies' cash register ring," he said.


Worse floods ahead ... as climate warms

Heavy and prolonged rainfall will cause both more frequent and more severe flooding ... as the atmosphere continues to warm...

In a warming world the atmosphere can carry more water and the research showed that the [atmospheric] rivers, typically running a kilometre above the Earth, 300 kilometres wide and thousands of kilometres long, would become larger and capable of delivering even bigger quantities of prolonged rainfall. ...

... Because of the way the warmer atmosphere is able to carry more water and deliver much higher rainfall totals, the potential for far worse floods from each of these rainfall events is much increased...



All a financial game of continued Denial and procrastination? The World burns and floods whilst Nero twiddles?...

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Worse floods ahead ... as climate warms

Heavy and prolonged rainfall will cause both more frequent and more severe flooding ... as the atmosphere continues to warm...

In a warming world the atmosphere can carry more water and the research showed that the [atmospheric] rivers, typically running a kilometre above the Earth, 300 kilometres wide and thousands of kilometres long, would become larger and capable of delivering even bigger quantities of prolonged rainfall. ...

... Because of the way the warmer atmosphere is able to carry more water and deliver much higher rainfall totals, the potential for far worse floods from each of these rainfall events is much increased...

Does this mean sub-Saharan Africa will return to the rain forest it previously was? We know from satellite data there is a vast network of rivers under the sand.

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We know from satellite data there is a vast network of rivers under the sand.

Interesting, got a link?

Been a while since it was in the news, but here is one
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/radar/sircxsar/wadik.html

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We know from satellite data there is a vast network of rivers under the sand.

Interesting, got a link?

Been a while since it was in the news, but here is one
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/radar/sircxsar/wadik.html

It will again someday. I watched an episode on the Discovery channel about that. Its has to do with the Earths tilt. If I remember right it was 3,000 years ago that the Sahara was green.

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Some human aspects that can't be denied:


Rise in violence 'linked to climate change'

Shifts in climate are strongly linked to increases in violence around the world, a study suggests. US scientists found that even small changes in temperature or rainfall correlated with a rise in assaults, rapes and murders, as well as group conflicts and war...

... "The literature offers a couple of different hints," explained Mr Burke.

"One of the main mechanisms that seems to be at play is changes in economic conditions. We know that climate affects economic conditions around the world, particularly agrarian parts of the world. ...

... They estimate that a 2C (3.6F) rise in global temperature could see personal crimes increase by about 15%, and group conflicts rise by more than 50% in some regions. ...

... "What they have found is entirely plausible... For example, we already know that hotter and drier weather causes an increase in urban violence. Likewise, during cooler and wetter weather people tend to stay indoors, and the threat diminishes."...



Aside and general journalism note: Regardless of the topic and controversy or not, journalists seem to be desperate to offer a contrary or contrasting view regardless of the sources used. That makes for some very unbalanced articles where respectable science gets contrasted/compared blindly alongside almost anything else regardless of source all in the same article... Too often than not, rather confusing...

Unless we can better educate and offer people the time to know for themselves... Which realistically can't happen. Thus any FUD machine can easily work well.


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Rise in violence 'linked to climate change'

I suppose then that we should find out what really is causing global warming.
Even the IPCC are beginning to question the validity of fingering Co2 as being
the main culprit here. They are beginning to realise that the Co2 figures just
don't add up any more so their looking for another type of GHG to blame.
The IPCC report comes out later this year and it's looking like it may be their
last one.

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Correlation does not imply causation. Gases are not causing global warming --if it even is happening: It is due to cyclic Solar output, Axis tilt , Water vapor perhaps. --- Not C0-2

Violence is rising (if actually true) due to no jobs due to Socialist trends in our Civilizations.

I suppose then that we should find out what really is causing global warming. Even the IPCC are beginning to question the validity of fingering Co2 as being the main culprit here. They are beginning to realise that the Co2 figures just don't add up any more so their looking for another type of GHG to blame.
The IPCC report comes out later this year and it's looking like it may be their
last one.

Well, there's certainly a hot hornets nest of articles flying around at the moment! All from one single 'leaked' table of temperature ranges and which came with no background detail...

A few articles I've glanced over that try to discredit the IPCC and climate science in general, all look to follow a similar pattern and the same bullet-points. All a FUD-slinging game from the Cato Institute?

For comparison, a cross section of articles are:


The new IPCC climate report is already in trouble

... A major question of contention in climate science is the magnitude of “equilibrium climate sensitivity” which is often defined as the amount of global warming that would be produced from a doubling of the atmospheric carbon dioxide content. ...

... That question is the subject of two opinion pieces, one by The Economist, the other by the CATO Institute...

...he CATO Institute opine that the IPCC has three options:

“1. Round-file the entire AR5 as it now stands and start again. ...


UN climate science body IPCC condemns AR5 report leak

... Scientists involved in the process have told RTCC that it’s too early to judge the full report on the basis of a leaked graph.

Piers Forster from the University of Leeds pointed us to his recent paper in the Journal of Geophysical Research, which indicates that current warming projections are in line with past published reports.

Others have not been so restrained. “Quoting drafts, not fully reviewed, not informed by WG1 = not sensible,” tweeted NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt.

Fellow US climate expert Michael Mann emailed the the ThinkProgress website, arguing that: “the author hopelessly confuses transient warming (the warming observed at any particularly time) with committed warming (the total warming that you’ve committed to, which includes warming in the pipeline due to historical carbon emissions).”

“Even in the best case scenario, business as usual fossil fuel burning will almost certainly commit us to more than 2C (3.6 F) warming...

... The leak also indicated that projections on the rate of sea level rise, polar ice melt and the variability of extreme weather events could also increase.

Former UN climate chief Yvo de Boer has already drawn his own conclusion, claiming that it will “scare the wits out of everybody”.

This episode illustrates the growing level of interest in a study that will be analysed closely by climate campaigners and sceptics, and will be used by politicians to justify future policies...


The Economist zeroes in on climate sensitivity but misses bigger picture

The Economist’s new article (7/18/13) on climate science focuses narrowly...

... While the entire possible range of climate sensitivity is important information, neither this article nor any peer-reviewed science disputes that this year the world witnessed the highest level of CO2 in 15 million years. Current government policies for controlling pollution lead us to the high projections of temperature rise — with catastrophic repercussions – regardless of the exact sensitivity of the climate. We are already seeing the impacts now, from Superstorm Sandy to megafires and severe droughts...

... The Economist reports that a new limit for carbon pollution could inform discussions about whether “it is safe to let CO2 concentrations climb” above current levels...

... The article leaves out critical context – and cannot be fact-checked since it relies on a single chart of an early draft of an unpublished science report.

The Economist story ignores the high end of the estimated range for climate sensitivity. While a new low end would suggest the climate might be slightly less sensitive to carbon pollution than previously thought, the other possibility — that the climate is much more sensitive to carbon pollution than the middle of the range — is still a very real threat.

The story also leaves out the accelerating rate of change observed in key climate indicators: Arctic sea ice melting decades faster than expected, sea levels rising faster and faster, and glaciers dissolving several times faster than before.

The article also ignores the enormous costs already incurred due to climate change. ...


Wow! All from an 'opinion peice' to spread some FUD in advance of the release of the real report from the IPCC. All a cynical game of fossil fuels sponsored FUD? From my view and opinion, the infamous Heartland Institute and CATO Institutes have similar suspicious comment to spread their FUD for this.

To my mind, all the tick-boxes for fossil-fuels sponsored FUD are clearly ticked for this latest flood of Denialist articles.

Meanwhile, we burn our planet ever faster.


So...Just as you boil water in a kettle, you can turn up the heating and the water doesn't increase in temperature, instead you just get more steam more quickly when it is already at 100 deg C. Similarly over the last few years, we have been losing cubic km of ice ever faster (the polar oceans are already hot enough to melt everything)... All it takes is a change in ocean currents...

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Still, the IPCC are not happy with the figures, their looking for other causes.
William gives a very good indication as to the missing links that scientists
have over-looked.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Still, the IPCC are not happy with the figures, their looking for other causes.
William gives a very good indication as to the missing links that scientists
have over-looked.

Finally looks like someone is doing some real science and not starting with assumptions about CO2. What a shock if Mockton turned out to be right all along.

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Still, the IPCC are not happy with the figures, their looking for other causes.
William gives a very good indication as to the missing links that scientists
have over-looked.

Finally looks like someone is doing some real science and not starting with assumptions about CO2. What a shock if Mockton turned out to be right all along.

Hi Gary, yes it does look like some real science will be getting done on this
issue over global warming. It's becoming pretty clear that CO2 might play a part
in it but not as big a part, if any, as some have stated. I think William is
pretty adamant that no GHG's play any part in global warming and that they are
just a bi-product generated by global warming itself. Interesting times ahead I say.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
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... CO2 might play a part in it but not as big a part, if any, as some have stated. I think William is pretty adamant that no GHG's play any part in global warming and that they are just a bi-product generated by global warming itself. Interesting times ahead I say.

Wow! That only denies about two centuries of well established and demonstrated physics.

An inconvenient denial?

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Wow! That only denies about two centuries of well established and demonstrated physics.

Test bench physics none related to the real world as is becoming apparent, even
to the IPCC so it seems.

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Wow! That only denies about two centuries of well established and demonstrated physics.

Nope.

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Meanwhile, back nearer to the real world:


US Republican enviro-vets: 'Climate change is real. DEAL WITH IT'

A quartet of former US Environmental Protection Agency administrators have come out in favor of immediate action on anthropogenic climate change...

... "We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally,"...

... The EPA administrators who penned the op-ed are hardly naïve, alarmist, tree-hugging hippies duped by avaricious, conspiratorial, group-think climate scientists spreading disinformation in a self-serving scramble for grant money – they're card-carrying veterans of conservative politics...

... "There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts," the four environmental administrators conclude. "[O]ur world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth's atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected."

Climate skeptics/deniers/doubters may disagree with the former EPA administrators' informed assessment that the world "continues to warm," but there is solid evidence that on a decadal basis it most certainly is. Even the Wall Street moneymen are starting to worry. ...



All a game of politics and Marketing while the world is burnt asunder?

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US Republican enviro-vets: 'Climate change is real. DEAL WITH IT'

Climate change is real, aren't they clever!! Someone had better tell them that
climate change has been real ever since the first day this planet was formed.

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
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the big difference is that we are the ones changing it not the planet.

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