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Message 1381144 - Posted: 14 Jun 2013, 16:51:45 UTC - in response to Message 1381063.  

... just random words that are links to who knows what...

So indeed, you are just playing word games and trolling with no interest in reality.

You could try the method of quoting used in papers everywhere and fully supported by the BBCode here. However it doesn't work well when you wish to spread FUD.

[ quote = [ url = http://www.warmersrule.com/claptrap ] http://www.warmersrule.com/claptrap[ /url ] Cow farts in upperwestsoutheasttown CO2 levels rise worldwide [ /quote ]

Yes, it doesn't work very well to spread FUD. But putting pure BS toll headlines on random links works much better to spread FUD.

[ url = http://www.warmersrule.com/claptrap ] CO2 Levels still on the rise, temperature is going up, man must stop it. [ /url ]

You do that so well across all the threads you post in. Everyone should have one thing they can be proud of.

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Message 1381240 - Posted: 14 Jun 2013, 20:36:29 UTC - in response to Message 1381208.  

I recall the girls playing beach volleyball in your Olympic Stadium

Really, well done. Seeing as it was in Horseguards Parade in central London.

2012 Beach Volleyball


OT - Is it me or why in most every shot of the empty seats do the rows look crooked? Were the girls practicing when the construction crew was measuring it out?


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Message 1381326 - Posted: 14 Jun 2013, 23:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 1381208.  

Olympic volleyball venue. Not familiar with your city only there 1 night. and traveling through to and from Folkstone.
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Message 1382834 - Posted: 19 Jun 2013, 20:58:18 UTC
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Such is the politics of deliberately turning a blind eye... Or is that cynical selfish head-in-the-sand politics?


House bill: 'Hey NASA, ... Fuggedaboutit'

If the Republican-led House Subcommittee on Space has its way, NASA's proposed asteroid-retrieval mission will be killed, the agency's budget will be capped for the next two years at about 5 per cent less than last year's, and NASA's Earth observation efforts will be cut back. ...

... Considering the Republican-led House of Representatives' dim view of NASA's climate-science activities, that proposed 30 per cent budget cut should come as no surprise.




This comment looks to be particularly apt:

Same?

Is this the same "science" committee that is led by a life-long creationist Republican who doesn't actually "believe" in science, and thinks that some goat-herding stone-age tribe had it right and 6000 years of scientific progress has it all wrong?...


Myself, my own personal suspicions are that earthly financial interests in allowing fossil fuels to freely pollute our world for the cynical greedy profit of 'the few' are mostly likely behind such unholy 'politics'...


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Message 1382846 - Posted: 19 Jun 2013, 22:00:08 UTC - in response to Message 1382834.  

This comment looks to be particularly apt:

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Is this the same "science" committee that is led by a life-long creationist Republican who doesn't actually "believe" in science, and thinks that some goat-herding stone-age tribe had it right and 6000 years of scientific progress has it all wrong?...

So is "raving angry loony" the nick you use to post with elsewhere?

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Message 1382947 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 6:47:06 UTC - in response to Message 1381240.  

I recall the girls playing beach volleyball in your Olympic Stadium

Really, well done. Seeing as it was in Horseguards Parade in central London.

2012 Beach Volleyball


OT - Is it me or why in most every shot of the empty seats do the rows look crooked? Were the girls practicing when the construction crew was measuring it out?



LOL, I see what you mean. But I think its just from the wide angle lens on the outside of the shot. But then again maybe not after seeing the players. :)
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Message 1383011 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 13:13:48 UTC
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All a part of commercial denial?


Singapore smog from Indonesia fire 'could last weeks'

Singapore's prime minister has warned that the haze engulfing the city could last for weeks, as air pollution in the city-state soared to record levels. ...

... "No country or corporation has the right to pollute the air at the expense of Singaporeans' health and wellbeing," he said. ...

... The poor air quality has prompted widespread buying of disposable face masks, leading shops to run out of stock.

Parts of Malaysia have also recorded "hazardous" pollution levels, with over 200 schools in the country's south ordered to shut.

Malaysia's Department of Environment has also banned open burning in some states. ...

... In 1997 and 1998, many countries in the region were affected by the South East Asian haze, which was caused by smog from Indonesian fires.

Road and air traffic was disrupted, and reports said the smog made around 20 million people ill.

The haze led to an agreement on transboundary haze pollution...

However, Indonesia has yet to ratify the agreement.



Note that is just from a few small fires. Note that CO2 is just as opaque as seen there for infra-red heat... And we have an awful lot more 'fire' industrially spewing out CO2 than just those few fires...


So it all ain't so? Really?


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Message 1383066 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 15:28:58 UTC - in response to Message 1383058.  

International action should be taken against Indonesia then. We can't have third world countries inconveniencing the rest of the world.

Quite, there should be massive fines imposed to suppress the emergence of industrialization. There is already too much of that on the planet and we can't allow any additional.


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Message 1383201 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 21:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 1383165.  

The haze is the result of forest fires started by farmers clearing land on the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

Are they practicing de-forestation? Of the face of it this does need to be looked into.

The first stage of industrializing, is to mechanize farming. That gets idle hands available to go do something else.


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Message 1387458 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 23:56:23 UTC
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The weather patterns continue to follow predictions, at least on this coarse scale:


2012: second costliest year for weather and climate-related disasters

Weather and climate-related disasters in the US during 2012 were the second-costliest since detailed estimates began to be calculated in 1980. Last year's damages were exceeded only in 2005, when four hurricanes made landfall, including New Orleans–destroyer Katrina.

In 2012, 11 such disasters accounted for $1bn or more in damages, with hurricane Sandy ($65bn) and the year-long drought (~$30bn) being by far the costliest contributors to the total financial loss of $110bn. The death total from all 11 events was 337...



Do the numbers add up high enough yet for the bankers and politicians to take notice?

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Message 1387467 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 0:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 1387458.  
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[i]Weather and climate-related disasters in the US during 2012 were the second-costliest since detailed estimates began to be calculated in 1980.

Wow, inflation at work.
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Message 1387587 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 11:54:55 UTC - in response to Message 1387467.  

[i]Weather and climate-related disasters in the US during 2012 were the second-costliest since detailed estimates began to be calculated in 1980.

Wow, inflation at work.

...and what comes after inflation, stagflation followed by deflation?

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Message 1387610 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 14:00:18 UTC

Another one to drown the cynics and disbelievers?


A global summary for our last decade:

Decade to 2010 was hottest, wettest: WMO

Not only was the decade 2001-2010 characterised by extremes, according to the World Meteorological Organisation: there were more records broken in more places in the world than at any other time for which records exist. ...

... The combination of increases both in sea temperatures (with a global temperature anomaly of +0.35°C) and land (+0.79°C) is visible in sea levels 20 cm higher than in 1880, the WMO states, with “accelerating net loss from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets and from the world’s glaciers”.

The northern hemisphere's combined land-sea warming for the decade is put at +0.6°C, with the southern hemisphere lagging somewhat at +0.33°C, the report states. ...

... The report assesses deaths from extreme weather events – including heat, cold, drought, storms and floods – at between 350,000 and 400,000 worldwide, in total 20 percent higher than the previous decade. ...



Note how there is never any news available to reliably say that we are not cooking our planet with industrial CO2 pollution...


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Message 1389223 - Posted: 9 Jul 2013, 14:59:59 UTC

Yet another two examples for the denialists to deny. For all the denial and FUD, there is a remarkable absence of any credible content upon which all the FUD is shouted out. Are the FUD-ists now really so desperate as to have nothing to fall back upon now other than to just shout louder/longer?


Toronto rainstorm leaves 300,000 without power

... More than 90mm (3.5in) of water - more than a month's average - was dumped on the city late on Monday, officials say.

The rain flooded some major roads and subway stations, causing traffic chaos.
Continue reading the main story ...

Water levels on the rush-hour Richmond Hill train rose so high that passengers fled to the upper decks of the coaches. ...



China free coal policy in the north 'cut lifespans'

China's policy of giving free coal for heating to residents in the north has contributed to shaving 5.5 years off life expectancy there, a study says.

It says air pollution from burning coal in the area north of the Huai River, with a population of some 500m people, was 55% higher than in the south.

The region also had higher rates of heart and lung disease as a result of the policy in force up to 1980. ...




Both the above articles highlight known effects from the excessive burning of fossil fuels. Perhaps the only surprise is that we are seeing ever more extreme weather events so soon and so frequently.

Until we blunder across the climate tipping points... Or do we have time still to pull back from the brink?


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Message 1389226 - Posted: 9 Jul 2013, 15:07:20 UTC
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All a part of the arsenal of the Fossil-fuels sponsored lobby?


I love nature. For this I am called bourgeois, romantic – even fascist

Those of us who defend the planet are increasingly subject to abuse. It is the price we pay for confronting the power of money ...

... Earlier this year, the former energy minister John Hayes described concerns about the rainforests of Malaysia and Indonesia – which, with their tigers, orangutans and thousands of unique species, are being destroyed to grow biofuels – as "bourgeois views". ...

... But most important, perhaps, is an unconscious absorption of the demands of money. Unlike most art, the wonders of nature often stand in the way of attempts to extract resources or to build airports or shopping centres. Corporate attacks on people...




That also is a reminder of how politics and economic policies are poisoning the positive potential for biofuels for just one example by the deliberate inappropriate use to cause more harm than good...

And our world be damned for everyone?


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Message 1389779 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 15:03:38 UTC

This news item is bound to make quite a climatic splash for the deniers:


Greener Deserts Could Be Result Of Higher Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations

... Knowing that CO2 levels have increased 14% during that period, the researchers calculated that desert foliage would have increased from 5-10% during that 28-year period. The satellite data revealed that they average increase in foliage during that time was 11%...

... The researchers warn that CO2 fertilization could have negative effects for native plants in these desert regions. "Trees are re-invading grass lands, and this could quite possibly be related to the CO2 effect," Donohue said. "Long-lived woody plants are deep rooted and are likely to benefit more than grasses from an increase in CO2." ...


Also, this is all before any major upheavals to the weather patterns have yet taken their negative toll to in effect uproot native species... How will that all balance out?... The uneven land distribution mainly north of the equator could yet give us a few surprises :-(


Are we now going to get the FUD argument that it "all ain't happening" but supposedly "it's all for our own good" in any case?!


And our world be damned for everyone?


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Message 1389797 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 15:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 1389779.  
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This news item is bound to make quite a climatic splash for the deniers:


Greener Deserts Could Be Result Of Higher Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations

... Knowing that CO2 levels have increased 14% during that period, the researchers calculated that desert foliage would have increased from 5-10% during that 28-year period. The satellite data revealed that they average increase in foliage during that time was 11%...

... The researchers warn that CO2 fertilization could have negative effects for native plants in these desert regions. "Trees are re-invading grass lands, and this could quite possibly be related to the CO2 effect," Donohue said. "Long-lived woody plants are deep rooted and are likely to benefit more than grasses from an increase in CO2." ...


Also, this is all before any major upheavals to the weather patterns have yet taken their negative toll to in effect uproot native species... How will that all balance out?...

Just one example for here at home:


Climate change overseas likely to affect UK food supplies

Climate change abroad will have a more immediate effect on the UK than climate change at home, a report says.

... the UK is likely to be hit by increasingly volatile prices of many commodities as the climate is disrupted. [Defra report] warns that global production of some foodstuffs is concentrated in a few countries. These are likely to suffer increasing episodes of extreme weather.

The report says there will be opportunities for the UK from climate change but these are likely to be far outweighed by problems. ...




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Message 1389818 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 16:52:26 UTC
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Coal is natural but dug up by us.

So the below is or isn't natural? And what pumps out more Co2?



What pumps out more Co2, the photo or us?

See for yourself. Man has become far too recklessly dominant:


Plume of southern Asian pollution



Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill



Iraq up in smoke



Iraq up in smoke



Kuwait burning



Burning oil



Indonesian pollution



Chevron Refinery Explosion and Fire



All repeated many millions of times over in manmade fossil fuels power stations around the world.


We must find a solution before we burn our own planet around us... Or rather cook ourselves with our own CO2 pollution...

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Message 1390173 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 16:29:48 UTC
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Another part of the 'denial' problem:


Humans: the real threat to life on Earth

If population levels continue to rise at the current rate, our grandchildren will see the Earth plunged into an unprecedented environmental crisis...


All so very soon? Too soon??

Can better education and better politics overcome greed and selfish short-sighted politics?


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Message 1390196 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 17:21:51 UTC - in response to Message 1390186.  

Martin,

That is 7 posts in a row. Don't you think you are banging the drum a bit too much here?


Yes, just a bit! Martin, you may have read that scientists have discovered
that worm poo can tell us a lot about climate changes over millions of years.
This stuff is still traceable hence can be analysed even though it may be
megga millions of years old. It can be found under the ice caps and also
in the sediments under all our oceans. CO2 levels when this poo was created
will also be able to be analysed...so some hard facts will come from this study..
...can't wait for the first results...most probably be several years before we
hear anything.


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