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Message 1331246 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 19:27:38 UTC

I decided to upgrade my XP machine imitating a Media Center from XP to Windows 8 Pro. The offer is supposed to end the 31st. I found you can also get a Free upgrade to Windows Media Center right now as well. It has to be better than the ATI Media Center from 2007 I'm using. What about the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC Folder in XP? Can I just copy it to another hard-drive and then place it in Windows 8, in the proper location, before installing BOINC? I have set 'no new tasks' but it looks like it will be a couple days before the existing tasks are finished. I've already downloaded the upgrade and I'm ready now...

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Message 1331250 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 19:40:13 UTC - in response to Message 1331246.
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Beware the default Boinc Data directory has changed since XP, for Win Vista, 7 and 8 it is:

C:\ProgramData\BOINC\

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Message 1331260 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 20:12:27 UTC - in response to Message 1331250.

Beware the default Boinc Data directory has changed since XP, for Win Vista, 7 and 8 it is:

C:\ProgramData\BOINC\

FAQ: BOINC 7.0

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Thanks, I assume it will work? I didn't know everything will be wiped when 'upgrading' from XP. Apparently, the only thing you can keep from XP is your 'personal items'.

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Message 1331261 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 20:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 1331260.

As long as the Boinc Installer matches where the Data directory really is there should be no problem,

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Message 1331269 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 20:44:27 UTC - in response to Message 1331261.
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I'll probably get started tonight then. So, the Data folder from XP will be just C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ or will it be C:\ProgramData\BOINC\BOINC

On second thought, it looks like it must be C:\ProgramData\BOINC\

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Message 1331288 - Posted: 25 Jan 2013, 21:17:55 UTC - in response to Message 1331269.

Two things i'd do before you finally shutdown Boinc on the XP machine is to Suspend Network activity & Suspend GPU activity (both in the Activity menu),
So when you get Boinc installed on Win 8 you don't trash GPU tasks if you haven't got the Nvidia & ATI drivers installed,

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Message 1332075 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 20:05:36 UTC
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So, It's up and running Windows 8 Pro. Just a few Observations. This is an Upgrade, you will not be able to go from 32 bit XP to 64 bit 8. Unless you jump through some hoops. Goggle 'Window 8 installed 32 bit instead of 64 bit' and you will see all the details. That was the first Observation. Everything appeared to be working fine otherwise, I had video working on three screens. Until I started installing the Video Drivers...

Note, even though the installer says it's downloading 'updates from the web', there are quite a few updates after you finish the installer. One of those updates may correct what happened next because the updates weren't installed when the Full nVidia driver 310.90 killed my system. I installed the ATI driver first, restarted, no problem. I then installed the nVidia Driver, restarted, when the driver loaded my screens, 2 using ATI 1 using nVidia, went black and switched from active to inactive every few seconds. I had to uninstall the 310.90 driver from safe mode. I noticed there were 2 parts labeled 3-D something. When I installed 310.70, I only installed the driver & Update part. That seems to work. I haven't had a chance, or desire, to investigate it any further.

Copying the XP BOINC Data folder to Win 8 worked. I did have one strange 'Permission denied' Error with the first ATI AP, otherwise all is well. Now I'm going to have to investigate all those Shortcuts the Win 8 installer apparently replaced all the unneeded XP folders with. I still have the 'windows.old' folder on the drive...for now.

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Message 1332088 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 20:40:28 UTC - in response to Message 1332075.

I've found that for Dual vendor hosts for correct OpenCL operation on AMD/ATI GPUs (at least for Raistmer's AMD/ATI MB apps), you're got to install the AMD/ATI drivers last, as both drivers install OpenCL.dll, otherwise your results are inconclusive/weakily similar.

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Message 1332094 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 21:01:20 UTC - in response to Message 1332088.
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After I ran the nVidia installer I reran the ATI installer. I did a lot of things I haven't listed. I also removed the ATI card from the machine and still had the same Driver issue with just the nVidia card installed. It consumed HOURS after the screens went Black. I'm just now getting to the point where I want to look at the machine again.

Lookie what I found, Windows 8 Issues SOLVED. PLEASE READ if you're having black screen and/or flickering

I'll see what else pops up on that forum.

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Message 1332128 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 23:58:10 UTC

Quite a bit of discussion surrounding Windows 8 and nVidia driver 310.9 on that board. In my case, it was a brand new upgrade with only the AMD driver installed. I did remove both the AMD Driver and Card at one point leaving a brand new Windows 8 and 310.9 to themselves. That didn't work either. Some on the nVidia board said the same, new Windows 8 install was killed by 310.9. I haven't rebooted since I got it working yesterday morning, it may not be over.

You might want to avoid 310.9 if you are running Windows 8...

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Message 1332135 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 1:40:17 UTC

All right, now I'm pissed. Driver 310.9 is Bad News and nVidia has known about it for a while. I downloaded that ....junk Friday night, installed it on a fresh version of Windows, then spent the rest of the night getting the machine to work again.

Read Here, NVIDIA 310.90 Geforce SLI/Multi-GPU Cold Boot GPU issue

There is more going on than just their 'Cold Boot' issue, my machine is not covered in their problem description. Apparently 310.9 was hurriedly released for a Security Issue and is Junk on certain machines. There is an Update due any day now.

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Message 1332248 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 15:37:45 UTC
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Well, nVidia released new Beta Drivers this morning to fix the 'Cold Boot' issue, Beta 313.95. I'm not sure if they also fix the Windows 8 problem or not. It seems they are trying to say they are two different issues, and I think I will sit this one out and see what other people say. No, I'm not Moss312 from the 'Windows 8 won't boot after 310.90 Update' thread although his thoughts have crossed my mind.

Maybe those times I booted Windows 8 into Debugging Mode and sent all the ....junk to M$ Friday night had an affect after all. I have no idea what happens when you boot 8 into Debugging Mode, all I saw was Black Flashing Screens and a flickering HD activity light, when the activity light went out I preformed a hard restart...several times.

Oh, the new Beta has a bug in the installer...not very encouraging. nVidia is having a bad hair month.

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Message 1332354 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 21:51:36 UTC

I have been using 310.70 driver with win8 no problems.
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Message 1332371 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 23:45:29 UTC

Here's the Official nVidia Windows 8 Statement, from page 16 of the PDF;

Known Product Limitations

Flickering Black Screen Occurs After Installing the NVIDIA Drivers on Windows 8

Issue
After installing the NVIDIA drivers on Windows 8, the subsequent reboot results in a black or flickering screen.

Root Cause
This occurs because Windows Update performed a background installation of a Release 304 driver, which requires a reboot to complete the installation. After installing the Release 313 driver and then rebooting the system, installation of both the Release 304 as well as the Release 313 is completed, resulting in conflicting driver binaries and the black/flickering screen.

Workaround - Prevention
To avoid the issue, reboot the system before installing the Release 313 driver.
Alternately, you can check the driver status under the Device Manager and perform the reboot if the Device Manager indicates that a restart is needed. Then install the driver.

Workaround - Recovery
If you did not perform the necessary reboot prior to installing the driver and now encounter the black screen, do the following:
1Reboot in Safe Mode.
2Uninstall the driver.
3Disconnect from the internet and then restart the system.
4In normal mode, install the new driver.

Release 313 Graphics Drivers for Windows - Version 313.95 RN-W31395-01v01 | 16


Except that many people, such as myself, did reboot before installing the nVidia driver. Others merely updated on top of an older driver, yet still have the Black Screen. I suppose I was just lucky that I managed to correctly install 310.70 without disconnecting from the internet. Apparently, according to nVidia, this 'issue' can happen with any version of their driver in Windows 8.

Does anyone know what Microsoft has said about this? I guess I'll have to do some more searching.

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Message 1333076 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 6:31:29 UTC - in response to Message 1331288.

Two things i'd do before you finally shutdown Boinc on the XP machine is to Suspend Network activity & Suspend GPU activity (both in the Activity menu),
So when you get Boinc installed on Win 8 you don't trash GPU tasks if you haven't got the Nvidia & ATI drivers installed,

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OK, the first time there wasn't a problem. I just made some changes and now it's spewing errors. The biggest change was downgrading to 306.97 and creating a new User Account. The NV driver really shouldn't matter. However, I had to uninstall BOINC from the old account and install it in the new account to gain access. I did nothing to the BOINC Data folder. I did reinstall the AMD Driver after I installed the new NV driver. The start-up looks like this;
1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.45 for windows_intelx86 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Running under account Gene 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz [Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6] 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Processor: 2.00 MB cache 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 nx lm tm2 pbe 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 8: x86 Edition, (06.02.9200.00) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 4.00 GB virtual 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Disk: 97.75 GB total, 42.87 GB free 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 306.97, CUDA version 5.0, compute capability 1.1, 1024MB, 927MB available, 705 GFLOPS peak) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4600 series (R730) (CAL version 1.4.1734, 1024MB, 992MB available, 960 GFLOPS peak) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 306.97, device version OpenCL 1.0 CUDA, 1024MB, 927MB available, 705 GFLOPS peak) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4600 series (R730) (driver version CAL 1.4.1734, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (937.2), 1024MB, 992MB available, 960 GFLOPS peak) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Config: report completed tasks immediately 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Config: use all coprocessors 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Version change (7.0.44 -> 7.0.45) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 6796475; resource share 100 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 13-Jan-2013 17:48:58) 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | SETI@home | Computer location: home 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Reading preferences override file 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | Preferences: 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | max memory usage when active: 1330.65MB 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 1637.73MB 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | max disk usage: 20.00GB 1/31/2013 12:47:34 AM | | max CPUs used: 1 1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1 1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task 15dc12ab.26491.18020.4.10.222_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 609 (cuda23) in slot 2 1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task 02no12aa.13584.9883.12.10.159.vlar_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 in slot 0 1/31/2013 12:48:17 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3 finished 1/31/2013 12:48:17 AM | SETI@home | Starting task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1 1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 finished 1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Output file ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0_0 for task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 absent 1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Starting task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1 1/31/2013 12:48:19 AM | SETI@home | Started upload of ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3_0 1/31/2013 12:48:20 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 finished 1/31/2013 12:48:20 AM | SETI@home | Output file ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0_0 for task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 absent ..... SUSPENDED!

I managed to suspend it after 10 Errors...it was moving fast. Nothing has been reported. The State file says;
ERROR: Invalid parameter detected in function (null). File: (null) Line: 0

ERROR: Expression: (null)
Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -

Reason: Breakpoint Encountered (0x80000003) at address 0x75014189
Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...

So, What's up with that?
Nothing was changed, other than installing BOINC in another account.





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Message 1333130 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 10:56:06 UTC - in response to Message 1333076.

1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1
1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task 15dc12ab.26491.18020.4.10.222_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 609 (cuda23) in slot 2
1/31/2013 12:48:08 AM | SETI@home | Restarting task 02no12aa.13584.9883.12.10.159.vlar_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 in slot 0
1/31/2013 12:48:17 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3 finished
1/31/2013 12:48:17 AM | SETI@home | Starting task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1
1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 finished
1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Output file ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0_0 for task ap_29jl12aa_B1_P0_00117_20130126_20559.wu_0 absent
1/31/2013 12:48:18 AM | SETI@home | Starting task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 using astropulse_v6 version 604 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 1
1/31/2013 12:48:19 AM | SETI@home | Started upload of ap_23jn12ab_B3_P1_00184_20130113_30534.wu_3_0
1/31/2013 12:48:20 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 finished
1/31/2013 12:48:20 AM | SETI@home | Output file ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0_0 for task ap_25my12aa_B4_P0_00357_20130126_07834.wu_0 absent
.....
SUSPENDED![/code]
I managed to suspend it after 10 Errors...it was moving fast. Nothing has been reported. The State file says;
ERROR: Invalid parameter detected in function (null). File: (null) Line: 0

ERROR: Expression: (null)
Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -

Reason: Breakpoint Encountered (0x80000003) at address 0x75014189
Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...

So, What's up with that?
Nothing was changed, other than installing BOINC in another account.

Sounds as if the slot directories might not have the right permissions, try a Boinc Repair Install (Just rerun the Installer),

At the moment since you're not reported any tasks, is it just OpenCL ATI tasks that Error? or are the Cuda and CPU tasks also erroring?

What does the stderr.txt say for one of those erored tasks?
Copy your client_state.xml to your desktop, open it with Notepad (by editing), then use find to find the result section for one of those errored tasks.

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Message 1333176 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 15:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 1333130.
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I'm not sure if it's fixed or not. The 1st AP task will be finished in about 30 minutes, we'll see. All I did was add the new Admin user to the data folder permissions. It shouldn't have mattered since it's an Admin account. BOINC just isn't giving that User any respect for some reason. I tried everything to get BOINC to allow that User to control the Client but nothing worked until I uninstalled it from one account and then installed BOINC in the new account. When I finally got it to work, it was just the AP App giving the errors, the other 2 were fine. Strange.

I see that for some reason I lost the 'Professional' from that machine in the computer section. Now it just says Microsoft Windows 8 x86 Edition, (06.02.9200.00). I guess when you install Media Center BOINC removes the Pro part. It's still called Windows 8 Pro with Media Center by M$. I had to call M$ to get Media Center, after 4 days they still hadn't sent an eMail with the Product Key. They say the Key has to be used by today to work. Last Day, is today.

Oh, the person I spoke with, from what ever part of the world that was, didn't know anything about any Black Screens in Windows 8. You can't find much about it by searching either.

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Message 1334063 - Posted: 2 Feb 2013, 20:22:55 UTC

Two questions about windows 8

Going to install windows 8 into the 6619276 windows 7 computer. Clean install.

Do you still have to use the protected mode?

Can the nvidia gpu be used?

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Message 1334111 - Posted: 2 Feb 2013, 23:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1334063.

Two questions about windows 8

Going to install windows 8 into the 6619276 windows 7 computer. Clean install.

Do you still have to use the protected mode?

Can the nvidia gpu be used?

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? I have win 8 and im not running protected mode and my 670 is working fine
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Message 1334161 - Posted: 3 Feb 2013, 2:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 1334111.

Two questions about windows 8

Going to install windows 8 into the 6619276 windows 7 computer. Clean install.

Do you still have to use the protected mode?

Can the nvidia gpu be used?

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? I have win 8 and im not running protected mode and my 670 is working fine


Great.

Had to use protected mode when I had the preview version of 8 but couldn't do any nvidia tasks. Otherwise; it did fine on windows 8.

Have another ssd drive on the way so will set 'nnt' and swap drives next week.

Thanks

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