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Message 1332186 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 7:38:55 UTC - in response to Message 1330643.

You still are not addressing the issue of personhood. Regardless of what someone believes on the issue there should be an agreement that the judgement should be based upon what that actually is and not emotional or mystical arguments.


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Message 1332254 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 16:23:53 UTC - in response to Message 1332186.

You still are not addressing the issue of personhood. Regardless of what someone believes on the issue there should be an agreement that the judgement should be based upon what that actually is and not emotional or mystical arguments.


Robert, the issue of personhood has been addressed lots of times in this thread.
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Message 1332370 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 23:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 1332254.

You still are not addressing the issue of personhood. Regardless of what someone believes on the issue there should be an agreement that the judgement should be based upon what that actually is and not emotional or mystical arguments.


Robert, the issue of personhood has been addressed lots of times in this thread.

see http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=70637&postid=1330237 for instance ...

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Message 1332375 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 0:02:40 UTC

The tax deduction for a dependent occurs in the year of birth not the year of conception.
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Message 1332383 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 0:48:27 UTC - in response to Message 1332375.

The tax deduction for a dependent occurs in the year of birth not the year of conception.

Anyone see a contradiction? :)

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Message 1332396 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 2:35:45 UTC
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If a woman miscarries naturally in the first trimester it is not recorded as a birth.

I'm not sure, but I think that in Australia it only counts as a "legal" birth from the end of the second trimester. i.e. The baby had a chance of independent existence.

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Message 1332420 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 4:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1332396.

If a woman miscarries naturally in the first trimester it is not recorded as a birth.

In California, under 20 weeks gestation no record is made, even if induced.


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Message 1332422 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 4:58:25 UTC

I think 21 weeks ga in NY. I know my son made the dnr cutoff by just a few days luckily, when he was born.
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Message 1332424 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 5:05:34 UTC

I think some of the anti-abortion crowd are masking another agenda. They feel that women who have sex for reasons other than procreation, in other words for fun, are committing a sinful act and allowing abortions to be legal encourages them to be sinful. These people would also ban forms of birth control that prevent fertilization.
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Message 1332495 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 13:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1332424.

I think some of the anti-abortion crowd are masking another agenda. They feel that women who have sex for reasons other than procreation, in other words for fun, are committing a sinful act and allowing abortions to be legal encourages them to be sinful. These people would also ban forms of birth control that prevent fertilization.


Or not pay for them. IE as the case of Catholic churches complaining about the health care reform bill. Use the rythym medthod they say. Yeah that works out real good. Granted birth control is not 100% but some methods are absolutely dismall.
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Message 1332508 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 14:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 1332495.

I think some of the anti-abortion crowd are masking another agenda. They feel that women who have sex for reasons other than procreation, in other words for fun, are committing a sinful act and allowing abortions to be legal encourages them to be sinful. These people would also ban forms of birth control that prevent fertilization.


Or not pay for them. IE as the case of Catholic churches complaining about the health care reform bill. Use the rythym medthod they say. Yeah that works out real good. Granted birth control is not 100% but some methods are absolutely dismall.

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Message 1332519 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 15:26:12 UTC - in response to Message 1332508.

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Message 1332543 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 20:26:33 UTC - in response to Message 1332424.

I think some of the anti-abortion crowd are masking another agenda. They feel that women who have sex for reasons other than procreation, in other words for fun, are committing a sinful act and allowing abortions to be legal encourages them to be sinful. These people would also ban forms of birth control that prevent fertilization.

I think it is even more sinister than that.

The thing that had the biggest effect on women's liberation was control over their own fertility. A pregnant woman can't work, a woman with lots of children can't support herself.

By trying to take back control over women's fertility the patriarchal elements in society are trying to push her back into the home and back under control of her husband.

In some cases this is quite blatant, for example when they try to introduce legislation that means a husband must give permission for abortions.

The next step will be going back to when women had to be married to get birth control and have the permission of their husband.

These attitudes towards woman are not so far removed from those held in Saudi Arabia.
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