Here is another for Martin
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/03/2013317104829368899.html

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Im suprised also. I wonder how Mr. Keys would have felt if it was just his bank account that was breifly changed?

Edit- Another young punk who thinks its ok to hack into another computer. Prank my keyster, more like revenge for being fired.

Should you not be surprised that such a prank is so easily done?

Should not the person who left the "door open" for ANYONE to so easily walk in instead be the one suffering the threat of their life in jail?...

In comparison, how many years for someone spray-painting a bit of graffiti on a shop window?... Why should spray-painting instead a website instead incite death to the perpetrator?


For you example of your bank account/details: The banks suffer some well known vulnerabilities with the systems they have set up for their business. They allow the vulnerabilities for the sake of their improved profits... Yet I'm sure for the similar example of for example a car manufacturer selling cars with too-cheap-defective-brakes would soon be pursued and legislated against...

Why victimize the users of shoddy IT?...


Only in the USA?
Martin

To use your own car with the bad brakes example.
Joe IT got fired for looking at porn on the job. So joe IT for revenge hacks into the car company's parts list and substitutes a known crappy cheap made knockoff for the good brakes. 10 cars are made and out the door before the hack is found. One perosn dies as a result of crappy brakes. They trace it back to Joe IT.

Still think its the car companys fault?

You have said so yourself right in this forum that no OS is immune to being hacked into. But yet you continue to think a hacker is innocent no matter what he hacks into?

If your hacking into a computer you are showing criminal intent right off the bat.

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Old James

If your hacking into a computer you are showing criminal intent right off the bat.

James, we are wasting our time. Martin thinks it is acceptable behavior to try the door of every shop on the block, use every key in his pocket on every lock he can find, and if he gets in and takes something it isn't his fault, it the the shopkeeper's fault for not having a high enough security lock to keep him out.

‘And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife. And you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.’

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I think your right Gary. It just gets my gall, That some folks think its ok to steal someone elses rightfull property by electronic means and then think its the owners fault.

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Old James

I think your right Gary. It just gets my gall, That some folks think its ok to steal someone elses rightfull property by electronic means and then think its the owners fault.

I suppose we shouldn't be so surprised. Look at the proliferation of file sharing sites whose only purpose is to facilitate the crime of copyright infringement. Unfortunately it looks like an entire generation has no ethics.

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From the last three posts, looks like there's quite a tangent to be discussed over on:

Business as usual - Good, Bad, Nastily Ugly?

Only in the USA?
Martin

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To use your own car with the bad brakes example.
Joe IT got fired for looking at porn on the job. So joe IT for revenge hacks into the car company's parts list and substitutes a known crappy cheap made knockoff for the good brakes. 10 cars are made and out the door before the hack is found. One perosn dies as a result of crappy brakes. They trace it back to Joe IT.

Still think its the car companys fault?...

You seem to be advocating scapegoating and lynching...


There are other aspects badly wrong with your argument... For one person to be able to do that, in malice or otherwise, without check for something so life-critical, that suggests fatal negligence elsewhere...

Would noone be to blame for operating such a careless system whereby an honest mistake by one operator could equally have the same disastrous result?...


All in the USA?
Martin

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Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
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To use your own car with the bad brakes example.
Joe IT got fired for looking at porn on the job. So joe IT for revenge hacks into the car company's parts list and substitutes a known crappy cheap made knockoff for the good brakes. 10 cars are made and out the door before the hack is found. One perosn dies as a result of crappy brakes. They trace it back to Joe IT.

Still think its the car companys fault?...

You seem to be advocating scapegoating and lynching...


There are other aspects badly wrong with your argument... For one person to be able to do that, in malice or otherwise, without check for something so life-critical, that suggests fatal negligence elsewhere...

Would noone be to blame for operating such a careless system whereby an honest mistake by one operator could equally have the same disastrous result?...


All in the USA?
Martin

Joe IT is no scapegoat. He is guilty of hacking into a computer and changing an item number to another number. Yes the whole scenario is unlikely. So what! Its just an example.

You seem to think that a CPA who cooks the books for thier own enrichment is innocent. And whats wrong with makeing money? Why if I invent something or create anything do I have to give it away? So some selfish whatever generation can copy it spread it all over the internet and take away my livelyhood.

And just where did I mention a lynching?

If I dont like any law I have the right to petition the poeple who made them and try and get them changed.
Most folks here in the US dont like any crooks stealing from us either in person or online, But you seem to advocate stealing is ok its the law that is bad.

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Old James

This looks to be a huge inconsistency... A case of one law for some and a very different law for others?...


ACLU documents shows free access to emails...

If it's opened, or old, then no warrant needed...

...showing just how easy it is ... to read people's online communications without a court-issued warrant. ...



Only in the USA 'system'?

All on our only planet,
Martin

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I agree with martin on the fact that some procecuters are OTT but I also agree with others when they say can't do the time ,don't do the crime especially in the states .

Now I know i'm going to tread on toes but what is happening to Asange is simular he didn't steal anything but look how the U.S gov is acting with him all he did is publish the material but he's not American so freedom of speech don't count that hipicritical to say the least

It's just one reason why some country's don't like the states and wish to harm it

I will put that what Asange did was stupid when both our country's are still fighting and maybe should have waited till the war is over before publishing it but that should not mean he deserves to hang for it !!!!

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he didn't steal anything but look how the U.S gov is acting with him all he did is publish the material but he's not American so freedom of speech don't count that hipicritical to say the least

It is only Assange that says it is America that is doing anything to him. It is all in his own mind. There is no warrant for his arrest. A long time ago USAG came to the conclusion he broke no US law. He isn't a citizen and he wasn't on US soil, ergo no US crime. However he is facing a rape case. One good way to never have to answer for that is to yell and scream the USA is out to get him and beg for asylum from a country that doesn't like the US.

He was where he could be found and extradited while he was in the UK before he fled to the embassy. There was no warrant issued, no extradition request, no put a hold on him. Why not? Only reasonable conclusion is the US isn't interested in him.

What? Do you think the US paid some woman to cry rape? How did they do that before he leaked the stuff. Did they make up the rape kit too? Get over the conspiracy theorys.

Assange is a megalomaniac that threw all his credibility away with his small head thinking. He knows he is guilty and doesn't want to serve time for his crime. But what criminal does? He won't even be questioned over it. I'd think an innocent person would want to prove it.

He is just a garden variety rapist who unfortunately can't be given the appropriate penalty of castration and then a decade as Bubba's cell mate. What he is really afraid of is spending a decade in jail and the spotlight won't be upon his megalomaniac self.

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If it's opened, or old, then no warrant needed...

UNITED STATES v. WARSHAK
Yet, Tsarnaev, wasn't stopped.


check box - delete emails from server after reading

IT - it is what we make it.

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From what I know of the case there is something going on behind the sceen's best you find out more about the case .
If he did rape the girl's then fair enough he should go to jail but there is more to it best you find out .My point was simply that your Gov does have a reputation of being OTT on criminal cases . eg how many innocent people have been killed by the state , I'm talking about the death penalty here ??????

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This looks to be a huge inconsistency... A case of one law for some and a very different law for others?...


ACLU documents shows free access to emails...

If it's opened, or old, then no warrant needed...

...showing just how easy it is ... to read people's online communications without a court-issued warrant. ...



Only in the USA 'system'?

All on our only planet,
Martin

Im of mixed opinion on this case for a number of reasons. And Gary I did read the link you posted on it. But Im not sure I understood all the legalese.

First I have to say that the Enzyte ripoff artist should be in jail. Why the FDA dosent get a set of balls and go after these snake oil jerks is beyond me.

That being said. The expectation of privacy seems to be going down the toilet. You need a court oder to tap a phone, or read snail mail. And supposedly for E-mail also.
Except if you dont delete your read E-mails. I would hazard a guess that would be equal to throwing your snail mail in the trash and setting it by the curb, Where any one can pick through it.

It seems the IRS got a pass on quite a few E-mail server searches. How many passes do other branches of government get.

And as Gary stated even when they get the passes they still miss the terrorists.

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Old James

Foreign press has sufficient ignorance of the US Criminal Justice system they make it sound OTT. They will quote theoretical maximum sentences that are never imposed as gospel. Of course they never follow the case to the end. So that 150 years is in reality sentenced to 2 years confinement and 10 years of probation. There are a couple exceptions, child rape, use a gun, kill someone, third strike, but anything else it is all BS and concurrent sentences are usually imposed.

http://gawker.com/5936600/julian-assanges-rape-case-has-nothing-to-do-with-free-speech

As I said and it says it was far easier for the USA to grab his butt while he was in the UK than it will be if he was in Sweden. Sorry if facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

Not saying that there are people who wouldn't love to see him rotting in a cell, but a Swedish cell works for them.

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It would be nice if Martin posted the whole story ...
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/taxwatch/2013/04/16/irs-denies-email-snooping-without-a-warrant/
But is isn't as much of a hyped up headline grabber ...

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I spose doing 3 things even if those things would not warrant a life sentence by them self and then going to jail for life is humane .Inocent people being put to death is also humane . And then there's throwing the Geneva convention out and calling them enemy combatanes is also humane and torturing people is humane I can go on and on but why bother spose it costs less to just put people to death than get to the truth . Those that live in a Glass house should not be throwing stones .In other words don't critise others about human rights when you don't follow them yourself .As for Asange I will not comment as you are obiously not awhere of what he has done to try and help the swead's with there investigation so you are not up on all the facts just the usual crap when you guys don't like hearing the truth . As for conspiracy's mmm dumd and dumber comes to mind so here is something you might just look up it is well documented .The Light Bulb Conspirecy form in 1930's I believe

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I spose doing 3 things even if those things would not warrant a life sentence by them self and then going to jail for life is humane .Inocent people being put to death is also humane . And then there's throwing the Geneva convention out and calling them enemy combatanes is also humane and torturing people is humane I can go on and on but why bother spose it costs less to just put people to death than get to the truth . Those that live in a Glass house should not be throwing stones .In other words don't critise others about human rights when you don't follow them yourself .As for Asange I will not comment as you are obiously not awhere of what he has done to try and help the swead's with there investigation so you are not up on all the facts just the usual crap when you guys don't like hearing the truth . As for conspiracy's mmm dumd and dumber comes to mind so here is something you might just look up it is well documented .The Light Bulb Conspirecy form in 1930's I believe

According to the Geneva convention They are unlawful combatants subject to a miltary tribunal to determine if they are POW'S or subject to in some parts of the world execution. Mercenaries have no Geneva protections at all. Spys get the miltary trbunal then get shot or inprisoned.

So where has the us thrown out the Geneva convention. You should be glad Bush called them enemy combantants. They didnt get a tribunal to be shot. By defacto they have been held as POW's.

As for torture, I dont agree with using it. That includes water boarding. Senator John Mcain a POW of the Viet Nam war siad it best. (Im paraphraseing) If you dont think water boarding is not torture you should try it and see for yourself if it isnt.

The death penalty should be done with. Life with no parole in solitary confinement works for me with a killer.

As for Asange if you know info on why he is so innocent please tell us. I believe your news is just as tainted as ours is.

There is not a Country on this planet that is pure as snow and not guilty of something.

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Old James

According to recent examples, this nefarious computer hacker should see something like 150 years or more of a USA penitence or worse for his supposed hacking misdeeds of years ago. Please noone tell the USA Feds or the "Hollywood" organizations:


Star Trek: The original computer game

... Star Trek got everywhere. The three versions I had at home were a hand-typed copy...

... wrote Star Trek on a Scientific Data Systems Sigma 7 mainframe operated by the University of California, Irvine. He was still at school, but he says he managed to acquire a user account anyway, by less than legitimate means.

It proved irresistible to everyone who saw it. Around the same time, for instance, he called in on a nearby HP sales office to buy a HP-35 programmable calculator. He got to know the guys there, and at some point told them about the game he’d written on the Sigma 7. They were so keen to have a go themselves, they asked him to port it to their HP 2000 minicomputer. ...

Like a virus, the game spread from system to system. Ahl’s Basic version would ultimately lead to Apple Trek, the version Apple itself released commercially for its Apple II microcomputer in 1979. It was written by W Sander, and the name was changed to avoid copyright issues, of course, and that was true of all the other commercial releases. ...


OK... So that suggests incarcerating an awful lot of people...


Only by the 'rule' of the USA?
Martin

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Poor Martin. Still confused. Doesn't know the difference between a trade mark and a copyright. Doesn't know history. What was different about 1973 and 1979?

ROTFLMAO!

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