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So Schwartz was out to steal $250,000,000.00 from Jstor, and the journal publishers by downloading and publishing all their content for free. Phew! So, by the same logic, by how much is Google monetarily (fiduciaryly) valued at? How many years under the USA system should you be forfeit for having the audacity to use Google provided output? Under the laws used, you are perpetrating a crime. And yes, the USA laws are that vague. It's the law is it? You are criminal. Regards, Martin All just my opinion after all... ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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Your bank gives online access. So when a script kiddie empties your account you shouldn't be upset, because your bank gave him access, after all he used a valid user id and password to log on. This is your logic Martin. | |
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Your bank gives online access. So when a script kiddie empties your account you shouldn't be upset, because your bank gave him access, after all he used a valid user id and password to log on. This is your logic Martin. Sorry, you're just spouting random drivel. That is no analogy to the Aaron persecution to death. Just the usual random trolling from you we see... In the Aaron case, the prosecutors had enough legal vagueness to do exactly as they please at their whim with him. Which is what they appeared to do... Unto persecuted death. No everyday private individual has the funds against the financial might of their department. So... Just roll over and admit that you are guilty for whatever is randomly claimed? Such appears to be the USA justice system. All just in the USA... Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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Martin, the idea for the prosecution is big wins, the more they get the better their career path becomes. | |
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Martin, the idea for the prosecution is big wins, the more they get the better their career path becomes. That is the prosecution, same for drugs, tax fraud or terrorism. The people want a quick plea so taxpayer dollars are saved not wasted on trying the guilty. Nothing wrong with that. Martin thinks a copyright is theft from the people, his issue is with the Congress, and the Constitution that make copyrights enforceable. He simply can't admit the multiple felonies over an extended period of time as he refuses to believe that copyright can exist, or so it seems. I suppose it might be the first time Martin has ever looked at a law. If so he has no idea that it is impossible to walk to the market, buy a few things, and walk back without breaking some law. There are tens of thousands of ridiculous laws on the books. People don't go to jail for them. Prosecutors would be fired for charging people with flatulence in the US, but in Malawi it is a capital crime. A US jury would laugh at that. The judge would rant and rave at the prosecutor for wasting his time. I simply can't believe that it is Martin's first time looking at a law. That leads me to one of three conclusions: He is deliberately trolling, He is a fool, He must be living in an altered state of reality. ____________ | |
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Martin, the idea for the prosecution is big wins, the more they get the better their career path becomes. There's everything wrong with that if you include the scope for coercion and "legal abuse"... That leads me to one of three conclusions: Mirror, mirror, on the wall,...? Meanwhile, recently in the real world of the USA: Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' ... she is the person Swartz spent the most time with in the last 20 months of his life — living together, commuting together and working together. And for her, that person she spent so much time with was not showing symptoms of depression, according to an emotional blog post on Tumblr. At the time of his death, Swartz was facing a potential conviction of 35 years and up to $1 million in fines for allegedly... ... "I don’t know exactly why Aaron killed himself. I don’t know exactly what was going through his mind. If I had known those things on January 11, if I had even known the right questions to ask, maybe I could have stopped him. Since January 11, I think about it every hour of every day. . . I believe Aaron’s death was caused by exhaustion, by fear, and by uncertainty. I believe that Aaron’s death was caused by a persecution and a prosecution that had already wound on for 2 years (what happened to our right to a speedy trial?) and had already drained all of his financial resources. I believe that Aaron’s death was caused by a criminal justice system that prioritizes power over mercy, vengeance over justice; a system that punishes innocent people for trying to prove their innocence instead of accepting plea deals that mark them as criminals in perpetuity; a system where incentives and power structures align for prosecutors to destroy the life of an innovator like Aaron in the pursuit of their own ambitions." ... or even for that matter that they were ready to offer a reasonable plea deal that wouldn’t have marked Aaron as a felon for the rest of his life — would Aaron have killed himself on January 11? The answer is unquestionably no." ... U.S. attorney: Criticism of Aaron Swartz prosecution is 'unfair' ... Ortiz, 57, said in a radio interview that a wave of criticism -- which includes a congressional investigation, a court Web site hack, and a petition demanding her removal from office -- is off-base and uninformed. ... ... WBUR and Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly published a joint report into Ortiz's tenure that found "other prosecutions that parallel the Swartz case" that may "raise similar concerns about her hands-off leadership style, overzealousness, judgment and use of discretion at the grand jury and trial levels." ... JSTOR Statement ... We have had inquiries about JSTOR’s view of this sad event given the charges against Aaron and the trial scheduled for April. The case is one that we ourselves had regretted being drawn into from the outset, since JSTOR’s mission is to foster widespread access to the world’s body of scholarly knowledge. At the same time, as one of the largest archives of scholarly literature in the world, we must be careful stewards of the information entrusted to us by the owners and creators of that content. To that end, Aaron returned the data he had in his possession and JSTOR settled any civil claims we might have had against him in June 2011. ... Lawmakers Demand Answers About Aaron Swartz Case ... "Many questions have been raised about the appropriate level of punishment sought by prosecutors for Mr. Swartz's alleged offenses, and how the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, cited in 11 of 13 counts against Mr. Swartz, should apply under similar circumstances,"... Congresswoman Posts Revamped 'Aaron's Law' on Reddit ... "Thank you, Reddit and everyone else who provided feedback to the original rough draft bill to reform the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) and the wire fraud statute — the laws the government used to unfairly prosecute Aaron Swartz,"... Still a great shame Aaron had to die for the sake of someone else's career elevation. All very unnecessary. So... Are you happy to forfeit say, 2 years of your life and all your fiduciaries, for the sake of tripping up over one of your ridiculous laws that is then randomly and arbitrarily laid against you? Only in the USA... So much for freedom? Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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Martin, the idea for the prosecution is big wins, the more they get the better their career path becomes. So lets say you wrote a book. And the publisher thinks it is a best seller. They are printing it up for release but then some hacker who thinks copyrights are stupid gets into the publishers computer and steals your book and puts it on the internet so everyone can read for free. The publisher ask for the advance they gave you beacuse your book is not selling. After the hacker is caught he gives the publisher back the thumb drive he downloaded your book to. So that makes everything all right? You keep harping on when ever we use the internet we are breaking the lwas. Well prove it. Give us some examples. Why if we use google are we going to prison? And I say to you the UK must have some stupid laws to. Why look at the poor travelers in your own country. Dont squatters have rights also? ____________ | |
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Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' Claptrap, BS and lies designed to sell advertising ... http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/16/the-criminal-charges-against-aaron-swartz-part-2-prosecutorial-discretion/ So, realistically, Swartz was facing ... 0-6 months in jail if he pled guilty. Calm truth. Seems Martin is living in an altered state of reality. That Swartz was is a given, it is obvious he thought he could do any crime and not be caught and punished. When reality arrived his guilt overcame and he took the cowards way out. ____________ | |
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Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' if he had initially accepted the plea bargain and plead guilty to something that he believed wasn't a crime yes he could have taken that one time offer since he didn't take it when it was on the table the DA removed it and as such he was looking at 35 to 60 years if found guilty in court ____________ | |
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Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' Source for claiming the TWO different offers were removed from the table? Also note that it was not a DA prosecuting him, but an AUSA. (If a crime beat writer doesn't know the difference he is automatically untrustworthy.) and as such he was looking at 35 to 60 years if found guilty in court That is utter BS and had been refuted before. From Volokh To calculate how much time Swartz might have faced if he went to trial and was convicted, we need to consider the relevant provision of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, Section 2B1.1. ... Swartz’s lawyers thought that Swartz might get just probation Where are these claptrap BS numbers coming from? Volokh is quoting the US Sentencing guidelines! Maybe you should read them! ____________ | |
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Another person who thought information should be free ... FORT MEADE, Md. — Pfc. Bradley Manning on Thursday confessed in open court to providing vast archives of military and diplomatic files to the antisecrecy group WikiLeaks, saying that he wanted the information to become public “to make the world a better place.” Why isn't Swartz around? Because he wasn't held in a cell under a 24/7 suicide watch? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/01/1166253/-The-Torture-Techniques-Used-on-Bradley-Manning ____________ | |
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The thing about about the Manning case that gets me is, "How the hell was he able to do it." and why haven't we heard that someone has been punished for allowing it to happen. | |
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WK, been there and done it. For a while in my job as a Computer Support Manager with a public utility, I had to upgrade a certain Department that dealt with Government security. And yes, the new machines had to have removable caddies so that the hard disks could be put in secure fire safes overnight. And you couldn't get in or out of the office without prior authorisation and a personal escort. Pretty much standard procedure in those circumstances. | |
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The funniest thing that happened there was, photo's of the said device were required. So I took the office DSLR, they were very new at that stage, ~£2,000 just for the body, and used those mini card disc drives. When we got back, the camera and all the drives had to go into the safe, and only came out a few months later after the camera was cleared by the Ministry security guru. The drives he just got a hammer from his car and destroyed them, totally. | |
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in the us copy write if you follow the rules and recopy write is for ever. | |
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One small ripple: | |
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One small ripple: So what if the president said it. He has to follow the law just like every other U.S. citizen. Just because he states what he wants to happen dosent mean that it will . laws dont get overhauled on whims. Big money by powerfull men made political contrabutions to get those laws made. I dont see any changes coming soon. And nobody had to die. Your man quit. That was his choice. ____________ | |
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Apparently Martin is under the impression that only the US Federal Government funds scientific research that is printed in scientific journals. | |
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Judge for yourselves: | |
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Judge for yourselves: BULL COOKIES. First of all why would I hack into any internet forum when I can just join it. As long as I follow that forums TOS I am afforded the privallge of partaking that forums discourse. And he ddint have unlimited access. He had limited acceess that he abused for two months by using aliases and other such means. And now you state that there were others involved in this. Well now that puts a whole new spin on this case. Sounds like a group of like minded hackers who wanted to steal documents. And in your own quote you state software was written for Gonzales to use. HACKERS!!!!!!! Sorry Martin you can not justify such actions and blame US law. ____________ | |
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