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Message 1326836 - Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 21:31:42 UTC

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anybody knows a 3-dimensional mapping view software of the signals (Radio Frequency sources - Peak, Guassians, Pulse, Triplets). Kind of like Universe Sandbox, however, synchronized with BOINC data. It would be nice to incorporate the BOINC data with Universe Sandbox giving us range and bearing of the signal source. The current release from Bjorn Henke v 6.54 just calculates bearing, not range.

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Message 1326913 - Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 2:14:00 UTC - in response to Message 1326836.

There's no range simply because it cannot even be approximated from the data we're analyzing. The laws of physics don't allow it.

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Message 1326934 - Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 4:20:35 UTC

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Message 1327021 - Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 6:59:16 UTC

Knowing the bearing we can create a 3-d cone radiating from Earth. This along with star data can give us an interesting visual of possible source locations.

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Message 1327189 - Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 21:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 1327021.

Hi,

Yes, we can fix a source from the cone (for example- a bearing taken from the month of June and another bearing taken from January of the SAME source - hence opposite side of the Sun), giving us range. I believe this is how they are able to map out our Galaxy from the MilkyWay@Home project and others like the Atlas project (mapping out Dark Matter in the Universe). I was wondering if anyone took on this or any other type of method of getting us range (Distance) for SETI. It would be nice if Bjorn Henke would incorporate this data (range Info) in his MapView software. So far, the only info we get from MapView v6.55 is bearing (direction) info. The range info can help in many ways including the determination of RFI (Radio Freq. Interference) from aircraft and satellites. If the source (within the hydrosphere spectrum, 1.4 Ghz +- 50 hz) is outside our solar system, we can conclude from our analysis that the source is E.T. and not RFI based on process of elimination method. I wouldn't be too surprised of the results (E.T. Conclusion) since this analytical method of determination is practiced among many US Navy Acoustic Analyst operators every day. I think Mr Seth Shostak would not buy anyone coffee if this software gets developed since many of the signals would be concluded as E.T. and not RFI. Mr Seth Shostak is right about one thing, the technology development is exponential.

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Message 1327201 - Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 22:45:48 UTC - in response to Message 1326836.

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The Hydrosphere frequencies, 1420 Mhz - "Where there is water, there is life!" There is alot of water in space! We need range and bearing of Hydrospheres.

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Message 1327263 - Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 2:15:31 UTC - in response to Message 1327189.

...we can fix a source from the cone (for example- a bearing taken from the month of June and another bearing taken from January of the SAME source - hence opposite side of the Sun), giving us range.
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This project is engaged in the search for the first "Same source". Once found, the 0.05 degree beamwidth of the receiver means the best that could be determined by triangulation from observations 6 months apart is whether the source is within our solar system or further out.

However, an identified source would obviously be observed as many ways as practical. The bearing might be improved enough to match that of a particular star, then a reasonably accurate range could be determined.
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Message 1328103 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 23:39:10 UTC - in response to Message 1327263.

If ...this project is engaged in the search for the first "Same source", there should be a database of its location 6 months apart from each other. A database of the "same source" location should be enough info to calculate its (same source) range from the Arecibo location. That's 1 theory on calculating range even if the receiver beam width is only 0.05 degrees. I wonder how the MilkyWay@Home project calculates its ranges when mapping out solar systems within our own Galaxy? They must use some form of triangulation to compute solar systems distances from one another. A single "solar system" would be considered an example of the "same source" definition I used. My definition of "Same Source" would be a "Hydrosphere Frequency". It would be nice if NASA would help SETI@Home or Bjorn Henke (even if he didn't consider it) with developing this software (Map View with distances). I mean, there are software out there in 3D such as Universe Sandbox. How did that software calculate distances? By triangulation?
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Message 1333182 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 15:55:26 UTC

I have the STAR MAP, but it's not showing any detail of gausians/Spikes etcetera. They are listed in the Tool Bar Menus, but all have Zero's beside them. There are NO Symbols of Any Type on The Actual Map.
Any ideas what my problem is.
The Map is just like a BACKGROUND that can be Resized with The ZOOM Tool.
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Message 1333185 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 16:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1327201.

Eric,
Does that mean that if there are Anomolies, that Contain Water Molecules and/or Moisture/Vapour, floating around in the Vast Spaces of The Universe, that their could be some form of Life (in the general sense of Bacteria etcetera), and if so, this could have some connection to some form of E.T.L. ?
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Message 1334365 - Posted: 3 Feb 2013, 19:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 1333185.

Good question. I don't know whats causing the signals (Hydro-...) to be produced. All I know is that my star charts are plotting a 2-dimensional picture of them. If they are RFI (radio freq interference), then it it would make sense why they are sporadic and not consistent. However, if we had a 3-dimensional star chart, then it would be easy to determine if the signals (Hydro-...) being generated are RFI (Radio Freq Interference).
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