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Message 1351467 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 12:29:09 UTC

I'll go along with that

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Message 1351494 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 13:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 1351384.

I think your suggestion of the "Mystery Place" game is a good one. It would offer more possibilities and make the game more interesting. Maybe on the next thread we could change over to it and set up some rules to cover it? Detailing the rules would be the next challenge...

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We're just getting started on the current one. Once we settle on rules, Julie or a mod can change the title.

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Message 1351522 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 16:15:33 UTC - in response to Message 1351494.

I think your suggestion of the "Mystery Place" game is a good one. It would offer more possibilities and make the game more interesting. Maybe on the next thread we could change over to it and set up some rules to cover it? Detailing the rules would be the next challenge...

Mark

We're just getting started on the current one. Once we settle on rules, Julie or a mod can change the title.

The question to be answered of the photo is "What is the name of this place?" The poster will need to give us a hint if he is looking for a specific name such as a building name or if the name of the town is good enough. In other words how big a place name he is looking for.

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Message 1351573 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 19:16:06 UTC - in response to Message 1351494.

I think your suggestion of the "Mystery Place" game is a good one. It would offer more possibilities and make the game more interesting. Maybe on the next thread we could change over to it and set up some rules to cover it? Detailing the rules would be the next challenge...

Mark

We're just getting started on the current one. Once we settle on rules, Julie or a mod can change the title.



Just let me know when the title needs to be changed.
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Message 1351689 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 4:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 1351384.

I think your suggestion of the "Mystery Place" game is a good one. It would offer more possibilities and make the game more interesting. Maybe on the next thread we could change over to it and set up some rules to cover it? Detailing the rules would be the next challenge...

Mark

Isn't that how we used to play it? It was "Mystery Photograph" or something like that, and we had to figure out what and/or where it was. We had churches, government buildings, museums and famous places, statues, sometimes landscapes. We only recently got specific to "landscapes".
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Message 1352150 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 16:07:50 UTC

Possibly time to call an end to the "Count to thread"? Mods should not have to search back through threads to delete over copyright issues at least that is what I assume is happening, and while the thread continues this will always be a problem.

I stopped posting in the thread after being accused of planting a virus(it was just a dodgy site link) of which there have been a few. I for one would like to see it gone.
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Message 1352173 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 17:23:16 UTC

As some of you know the Mods are hiding all past threads of the count to threads. The reason is copyrighted photos. Yes its a lot of E-mails going out but its faster and less E-mails then hiding each post of copyrighted material itself.

We have been told to hide all obvious copyrighted pictures cartoons are what ever. And if the owner of a said unknown copyrighted picture complains they will be hidden also. This will apply across the forums.

The legal staff has still not replyed to the Admins yet on this issue.
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Message 1352178 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 17:40:56 UTC
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I think the Moderators are taking an extremely sensible and advisable course of action which I 100% support. If it wasn't for some posters in that thread this wouldn't have been necessary in the first place, and they know who they are.

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Message 1352180 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 17:48:23 UTC

Looks like all pictures are banned. After all, 100% of pictures are copyrighted. I think a more sensible action would be to disable the [ img ] tag and be done with the problem.

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Message 1352185 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 17:56:09 UTC

The rule we are working to is:
If the picture has an obvious copyright logo, or message, then its not permitted, otherwise its OK until we are told otherwise.

Do not forget that some sites attach the message when the picture is linked to in isolation (that is, not called from the hosting site), so check a couple of minute after posting to make sure it is clear.
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Message 1352188 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:01:06 UTC

I do apoligise for the email/PM bomb some of you will be geting,
hiding the whole thread is the quickest way,
hiding each photo individualy would have taken days to do and been much worse than it is.

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Message 1352191 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:06:53 UTC
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No apologies necessary Clive. The thread had become boring long ago with picture after picture of locomotives. Let's just scrap the whole thing and find another game that is more intellectually challenging than just using google.

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Message 1352192 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:08:44 UTC - in response to Message 1352180.

Looks like all pictures are banned. After all, 100% of pictures are copyrighted. I think a more sensible action would be to disable the [ img ] tag and be done with the problem.

Well not pictures you have taken yourself, I believe that if you are in a public place all self shot photos belong to you. So in theory you can post them anywhere, and I do.
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Message 1352193 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 1352191.

No apologies necessary Clive. The thread had become boring long ago with picture after picture of locomotives. Let's just scrap the whole thing and find another game that is more intellectually challenging than just using google.

Might have been nice to have been told in advance. I was not expecting 22 "Thread Closed" emails
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Message 1352198 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 1352185.

Do not forget that some sites attach the message when the picture is linked to in isolation (that is, not called from the hosting site), so check a couple of minute after posting to make sure it is clear.

The complaining site should be told to change its htaccess file so that they don't serve up the photo in the first place. Then copyrighted photos come up as a empty box.

Otherwise the Berne Convention needs to be strictly enforced. Every photo, drawing, gif, avatar, weather bug, signature credit listing, is copyrighted. The copyright exists upon being fixed in a tangible media. A notice does not have to accompany the item for the copyright to be valid and enforceable.


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Message 1352205 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:25:59 UTC - in response to Message 1352180.

No, only copyrighted pictures for which there is no permission or other relevant justification need to be banned. Examples which are OK include:


  • pictures created by the poster which do not themselves contain copyrighted material (many posted by The Holy Hand Grenade for example)
  • pictures for which the poster or seti@home has the relevant permission (some created by my brother-in-law and posted by myself for example)
  • pictures from Wikimedia Commons, with a link back to their information page (as in recent Whiskey's Minicity threads for example)
  • pictures clearly out of copyright because of their age


For an introduction to some of the issues, you could have a look at Licencing on Wikimedia Commons.

There are also provisions under copyright law for "fair use" which would cover restricted use for commentary, satire etc, and for graphics with minimal original content, but these like many other aspects of copyright law are cans of worms.

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Message 1352207 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 1352205.
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No, only copyrighted pictures for which there is no permission or other relevant justification need to be banned. Examples which are OK include:

  • pictures created by the poster which do not themselves contain copyrighted material (many posted by The Holy Hand Grenade for example)
  • pictures for which the poster or seti@home has the relevant permission (some created by my brother-in-law and posted by myself for example)
  • pictures from Wikimedia Commons, with a link back to their information page (as in recent Whiskey's Minicity threads for example)
  • pictures clearly out of copyright because of their age


For an introduction to some of the issues, you could have a look at Licencing on Wikimedia Commons.

There are also provisions under copyright law for "fair use" which would cover restricted use for commentary, satire etc, and for graphics with minimal original content, but these like many other aspects of copyright law are cans of worms.


Which is why we will wait for the legal staff to decide, Not wikianything. If i have a legal issue i would talk to a lawyer in the field I need, Not go to Wiki.
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Message 1352216 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 19:09:41 UTC
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Just my 2 cents.....
Which may or may not be legally binding or correct.

I think this whole copyright issue is much ado over nothing.
I would think that fair use would cover the posting of pics in a public forum for the sole purposes of playing a game.

Nobody is using them for profit, advertising, or any other commercial purpose. Nobody is making multiple copies and posting them all over the net. Nobody, except in certain cases, is claiming the pictures are their property.

In fact, many of them are watermarked with the source.
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Message 1352217 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 19:11:38 UTC

The statute of limitation for copyright is defined in some jurisdictions by a period of time after the death of the copyright owner, unless it is extended by the estate. Which makes it very hard to see, just by looking at the date of a picture, if it is in copyright.
And remember, the jurisdiction that applies is that of the copyright holder, not the country in which the poster lives, or where the servers are hosted....
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Message 1352222 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 19:24:16 UTC
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I hear what you are saying Mark and fair comment. But Seti is funded by the University of California, Berkeley, and therefore it has to be seen to be absolutely 100% squeaky clean. Particularly as it's boards and forums are publicly and freely viewable. Isn't the obvious way forward here to simply have some other Cafe game, or games, that can be enjoyed by Setizens, perhaps involving a bit more intellect, and less reliance upon search engines to find pictures.

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