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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I still think we fall under fair usage policy unless the copyright holder complains. It was Fred who told us that he was told to hide copyright pictures. I cant remember if was the Legal office who told him or legal told The Admins who told Fred. Its been so long maybe it has slipped off the radar. So I will PM Fred and see if he has heard anything. Edit- I PMed Fred, So I awaite his response. [/quote] Old James |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Lick my neck, lick my back, lick my p... Not without falling foul of several of the rules. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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SETI Forums Send message Joined: 10 Mar 08 Posts: 113 Credit: 0 RAC: 0 |
The problem with Fair Use as a defense is that it is only considered on a case-by-case basis, and there hasn't been any hard-set rules which determine exactly what is Fair Use and what is not. There are several cases of precedence in the U.S. legal system, but these may or may not be considered by the presiding judge. For reference, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Common_misunderstandings. Simply acknowledging the source or author does not automatically make it Fair Use, and there are no special provisions for academia as far as I can tell. Noncommercial/non-profit use is also not necessarily valid for Fair Use. Since SETI@home does not have the funds to afford a legal team to fend off every copyright holder who claims we violate their rights, we will be forced to comply with take-down notices as they come in. Otherwise, I'm perfectly OK with assuming our uses are Fair Use. -Fred SETI Forums Admin |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Thanks Fred. The current approach makes sense. To me too. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Thank you Fred for posting the answer. I know Fred is a busy man, So I asked him if I could post his resonse to me in the thread. He took the time to post it himself. Thanks again Fred. [/quote] Old James |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
If we lift an image off someones personal web site then I can clearly see infringements of copyright. But if we lift that same image off a Google web page, via an image search, then if we are still infringing upon copyright so must Google be infringing too. ....or am I completely miss-guiding myself here? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Some say its ok and some say it is not. Back when all this flap started I had read conflicting reports about what you are asking. What confuses the issue even more is that countries have different laws about copyrights. I would say if you can find a pic that isnt copyrighetd use it, But as Fred said if the owner complains then it gets hid. [/quote] Old James |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
I wonder if there is a way of carrying out an image search on Google that could include a tag requesting no copyright images to be included in search results? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22200 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Copyright law even within one country can be confusing in its interpretation, never mind the complexities of international copyright. Take the phrase "small extracts for the purposes of review" and define the meaning of each of the two sub-phrases.... (don't bother if you asked ten copyright lawyers for their interpretation you would get twelve answers). Answering Nick's thought, I doubt that it would help much as many pictures that have obvious copyright watermarks don't have that fact listed in their tags. If you want to use an image that you didn't create then there are a few steps, examine the image, does it have a visible copyright watermark? look at its exif data, sometimes a note can be placed there, look at the hosting page (not the google search page, but the actual hosting page), then the hosting gallery. Its a pain, but if you want to avoid problems downstream doing these steps at least demonstrates you have taken due care. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I would still ask posters to be carefull on where they get the pictures or cartoons or whatever that might be copyrighted. Being asked to hide a pic is vastly different then being sued. So that being said, Have fun. [/quote] Old James |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
If we lift an image off someones personal web site then I can clearly see That is a very good question. It is also a major bone of contention between the search engines and content owners, one that is far from settled to anyone's satisfaction. As for international laws, all you furriners should probably keep in mind that UCB is in the United States and therefore mostly concerned with US law. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30649 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I wonder if there is a way of carrying out an image search on Google that could Nope. Unless the photographer expressly (in writing) disclaims the copyright, it is copyrighted. Copyright exists from the time of creation and for a photograph that is when the shutter button is pressed. So if the photo isn't on Wikimedia or a similar site, it is copyrighted. That is the problem is saying don't post copyrighted photos, they all are copyrighted. So in essence it is saying don't post photographs. |
Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20 |
If we lift an image off someones personal web site then I can clearly see Not necessarily. Google may (probably does) have a licensing agreement with the copyright holder for use of the image, especially where the image source is credited. Third-parties would not be covered by that license. Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30649 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If we lift an image off someones personal web site then I can clearly see Google does not have any license. Google has lots and lots of lawyers and argues fair use, and so far they have won. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Google_Inc. and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Amazon.com,_Inc. |
Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20 |
If we lift an image off someones personal web site then I can clearly see Thank you, Gary, I stand corrected (and enlightened) Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
What is that kitchen gadget?!!! This one is driving me crazy. I keep looking there for an answer. I am completely mystified. |
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