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Message 1546643 - Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 2:16:04 UTC - in response to Message 1546609.  

Equal, but not the same.


Equal; capable of meeting the requirements of a situation or a task, or another equal?


Same

: not different

: exactly like someone or something else
I'm so confused.
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Message 1546701 - Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 3:55:30 UTC - in response to Message 1546643.  

Equal, but not the same.


Equal; capable of meeting the requirements of a situation or a task, or another equal?


Same

: not different

: exactly like someone or something else
I'm so confused.

Probably because you have forgotten that "equal" is an adjective.
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Message 1546731 - Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 4:31:59 UTC - in response to Message 1546701.  

Probably because you have forgotten that "equal" is an adjective.

It is also a noun and a verb.

Try the sentence: "Do you think all human beings are equal?"
If "equal" is an adjective, then what noun is it modifying?

We could just try a different noun to see if it is grammatically correct: Do you think all human beings are purple?

Now lets try a verb: Do you think all human beings are read?

Now lets try an adjective: Do you think all human beings are lacy?

In any case I'll let our school teacher diagram the sentence to see if more than one interpretation is grammatically acceptable. And to see if there may be an issue between British usage and American usage.

equal:
adjective
1 being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value: add equal amounts of water and flour | 1 liter is roughly equal to 1 quart.
• (of people) having the same status, rights, or opportunities.
• uniform in application or effect; without discrimination on any grounds: a dedicated campaigner for equal rights.
• evenly or fairly balanced: it was hardly an equal contest.
2 [ predic. ] (equal to) having the ability or resources to meet (a challenge): the players proved equal to the task.

noun
a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality: we all treat each other as equals | it was a day without equal in market history.

verb ( equals, equaling , equaled ; also chiefly Brit. equals, equalling, equalled ) [ with obj. ]
be the same as in number or amount: four plus six divided by two equals five | the total debits should equal the total credits.
• match or rival in performance or extent: he equaled the world record of 9.93 seconds.
• be equivalent to: his work is concerned with why private property equals exploitation.


Personally I think there is a troll afoot.

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Message 1546734 - Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 4:36:29 UTC

Another botched execution? Inmate gasps during two-hour execution
Two hours gasping for breath was not long enough for this abuser of women.

Wood and Dietz had a tumultuous relationship in which he periodically assaulted her. Dietz tried to end their relationship and got an order of protection against Wood.

Wood then turned his attention toward Debra Dietz, who was trying to telephone for help. Wood grabbed her by the neck and put his gun to her chest. She pleaded with him to spare her life. An employee heard Wood say, "I told you I was going to do it, I have to kill you." He then called her an expletive and fired two shots in her chest.

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Message 1546749 - Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 5:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 1546731.  

Probably because you have forgotten that "equal" is an adjective.

It is also a noun and a verb.

Try the sentence: "Do you think all human beings are equal?"
If "equal" is an adjective, then what noun is it modifying?

Well that is the issue isn't it? All people are "equal ___" what? So Batter Up is suggesting that having a physical difference is difference enough so that you are no longer equal. So he would have to specify "equal _____". Equal shape? Equal size?

We could just try a different noun to see if it is grammatically correct: Do you think all human beings are purple?

Now lets try a verb: Do you think all human beings are read?

Now lets try an adjective: Do you think all human beings are lacy?

In any case I'll let our school teacher diagram the sentence to see if more than one interpretation is grammatically acceptable. And to see if there may be an issue between British usage and American usage.

You'll have to find an English school teacher. It is not my subject, so I cannot help you further.

equal:
adjective
1 being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value: add equal amounts of water and flour | 1 liter is roughly equal to 1 quart.
• (of people) having the same status, rights, or opportunities.
• uniform in application or effect; without discrimination on any grounds: a dedicated campaigner for equal rights.
• evenly or fairly balanced: it was hardly an equal contest.
2 [ predic. ] (equal to) having the ability or resources to meet (a challenge): the players proved equal to the task.

noun
a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality: we all treat each other as equals | it was a day without equal in market history.

verb ( equals, equaling , equaled ; also chiefly Brit. equals, equalling, equalled ) [ with obj. ]
be the same as in number or amount: four plus six divided by two equals five | the total debits should equal the total credits.
• match or rival in performance or extent: he equaled the world record of 9.93 seconds.
• be equivalent to: his work is concerned with why private property equals exploitation.

Right, so if it is treated as a noun there is no confusion.."a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality" which is the most obvious meaning of the statement. However, it is clearly not obvious to Batter Up who is using it as an adjective and needs to qualify it.
Personally I think there is a troll afoot.


Quite likely. I am just not sure whether it is you (as you raised a similar point in a different thread) or Batter Up.

I was thinking you were just being cantankerous.
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Message 1547958 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 12:51:40 UTC

Disgusting...

Child rape case abandoned because judge "fell asleep"

"It's a pretty personally insulting thing for somebody when you're describing probably the most important event in your life.

"But also what does it say about the state, about judicial governance, about the criminal justice system?"

She added it would reinforce general views that the judiciary "are out of touch"."

Be nice if they say something we didn't already know!
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Message 1547969 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 13:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 1547958.  

Disgusting...

Child rape case abandoned because judge "fell asleep"

"It's a pretty personally insulting thing for somebody when you're describing probably the most important event in your life.

"But also what does it say about the state, about judicial governance, about the criminal justice system?"

She added it would reinforce general views that the judiciary "are out of touch"."

Be nice if they say something we didn't already know!


:( Had to scrape my jaw off the floor on that one. Utterly contemptible!! Grrrr :(
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Message 1547983 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 14:05:04 UTC

Unprofessional and inexcusable. I hope they fire that judge.
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Message 1547984 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 14:08:40 UTC - in response to Message 1547969.  
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Disgusting...

Child rape case abandoned because judge "fell asleep"

"It's a pretty personally insulting thing for somebody when you're describing probably the most important event in your life.

"But also what does it say about the state, about judicial governance, about the criminal justice system?"

She added it would reinforce general views that the judiciary "are out of touch"."

Be nice if they say something we didn't already know!


:( Had to scrape my jaw off the floor on that one. Utterly contemptible!! Grrrr :(


Well what more can one expect from a man! Sometimes I'm ashamed to be one.
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Message 1547996 - Posted: 26 Jul 2014, 14:59:08 UTC - in response to Message 1547983.  

Unprofessional and inexcusable. I hope they fire that judge.
He was a "Recorder" or part time judge. In the US a part time judge can only hear minor municipal offenses. It appears the "crown" has a problem.

When you people say "crown" you don't mean the Queen personalty do you?

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Message 1550934 - Posted: 1 Aug 2014, 13:37:16 UTC

Another case of the "old boys network" in operation...

Abuse investigation stopped by MI5
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Message 1551945 - Posted: 3 Aug 2014, 20:05:11 UTC

This one caught me after seeing it on a link posted on another thread...

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Message 1552460 - Posted: 5 Aug 2014, 3:29:28 UTC

Probably the best place to post this, Britons 'liable to Sharia divorces' in UAE

The Foreign Office has warned expatriates living in the United Arab Emirates they could face Sharia courts in divorce or child custody cases.

UAE personal status law provides expatriates, even if they are not Muslim, with the right to have their case heard under the Islamic law.

It comes after a British mother lost custody of her son to her French ex-husband following a Sharia hearing.

In February, Afsana Lachaux was given a suspended prison sentence in Dubai.

Sharia is Islam's legal system and acts as a code for living to which all Muslims should adhere.

Ms Lachaux, from London, was found guilty of kidnap charges for failing to attend an access meeting between her son and her ex-husband.
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Message 1552597 - Posted: 5 Aug 2014, 13:30:04 UTC

Not exactly relevant to the thread but it does highlight what harsh realities the victims have to face...

Parole judge - "No difference"

"Victims' Commissioner Baroness Newlove said: "Victims pour their hearts into these statements to make sure they do their loved ones the best possible justice - they should never be dismissed like this.""
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Message 1552605 - Posted: 5 Aug 2014, 13:55:38 UTC - in response to Message 1552597.  

Not exactly relevant to the thread but it does highlight what harsh realities the victims have to face...

Parole judge - "No difference"

"Victims' Commissioner Baroness Newlove said: "Victims pour their hearts into these statements to make sure they do their loved ones the best possible justice - they should never be dismissed like this.""

Sorry, but that judge is right. Justice is supposed to be blind. If we are going to take emotional satisfaction into account when administering justice, we start to forego our own rules and laws in order to give a few people some very limited emotional satisfaction.

It sucks for the victims to hear this and this guy did put it extremely bluntly, but well...our system wouldn't work otherwise.
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Message 1552624 - Posted: 5 Aug 2014, 15:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1552605.  

Suggest you read what I post more carefully: -

Not exactly relevant to the thread but it does highlight what harsh realities the victims have to face...

Where did I state the judge was wrong?
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Message 1552770 - Posted: 6 Aug 2014, 1:35:28 UTC

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Message 1552848 - Posted: 6 Aug 2014, 11:10:57 UTC - in response to Message 1552770.  

Even though she was broadcasting from London, Outrage in Saudi Arabia at appearance of female newsreader without headscarf on state television

Hopefully, very good to test that part of the world:

Social networks in the Saudi kingdom largely commented on the unusual sight of an unveiled woman reading the news, Gulf News reported, and some condemned it as transgression of national traditions.

Others said the issue should not be blown out of proportion or welcomed it as a sign of growing women’s rights.




There is hope yet...

There can be no denying that the religiously imposed "dress code there" is oppressive and isolating for women.

But very much also, male attitudes and customs need to be dragged up to a better standard for all...


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Message 1552849 - Posted: 6 Aug 2014, 11:19:00 UTC
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Meanwhile, at a completely different level:


How did Lego become a gender battleground?

Three new Lego figures - all female scientists - have been unveiled. But why does the toymaker's portrayal of women provoke such controversy?

A palaeontologist, an astronomer, a chemist - into the pantheon of children's toys stride three new Lego characters. Not so surprising. Except the scientists are all female. ...

... The company denies the set is designed to mollify feminist critics. It points out that the new range was an idea voted for by the public.

The Research Institute set was proposed by geoscientist Ellen Kooijman and backed in a public vote on a Lego crowdsourcing website. Kooijman has written that she wanted to counter "a skewed male/female minifigure ratio and a rather stereotypical representation of the available female figures"...

... Others say that Lego should return to its 1970s and 80s approach of not targeting by gender. ... compared the marketing posters of previous decades with the marketing for Lego Friends. In those earlier days, the posters showed girls in baggy clothes holding complicated constructions with catchlines like "Look what I built with Lego!" Feminists argue the emphasis has gone from construction to hair and beauty.

"It was pure construction toys, so very inclusive," says Francis. "But over the years, as they began to produce tie-ins with movies, they became much more marketed...




All a game?

Or all the poison of Marketing?

(And note the "Streisand effect" with the tie-in Lego have with a certain oil company. All a Marketing game? Pollution guaranteed!)


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Message 1552861 - Posted: 6 Aug 2014, 12:03:48 UTC

Lego became a gender battleground when they made it a battleground themselves.

I think its right when Feminist criticize Lego for starting out as so inclusive to everyone, no matter what race or gender they were, to what it is now, marketed almost exclusively to boys. I mean, even from a corporate perspective this just seems stupid. Why would you willingly ignore 50% of your potential market?

And really, that line of Lego they did bring out marketed to girls was just insulting by playing into every gender stereotype in the book.
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