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 ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Surprised that with the current news from India that this hasn't been picked up yet on these forums: If you thought some of the atrocities against women and girls in Afghanistan was bad... Perhaps India and Pakistan hide a yet more grievous atrocity in their culture: How India treats its women ... When the unidentified woman died in a Singapore hospital early on Saturday, the victim of [an extremely brutally] savage rape on a moving bus in the capital, Delhi, it was time again, many said, to ask: why does India treat its women so badly? ... To be 'extremely charitable': Better education needed?... All on our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1322162 ·  |
John Clark  Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0
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He was rubbish during the 1947/48 handover ... It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues  
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bobby  Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 
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If the British were still in charge there, it wouldn't have happened. Right, 'cos nothing like that happens in the UK, right? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... 
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3
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That is not fair Bobby. Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule. I have said before, and I will say again, that generally speaking, the world was a nicer more peaceful place when there was a British Empire. Yes of course we didn't get it right all the time, we know and fully accept that. But you just look at all these previously British colonies that have been given their independence. How many of them are better off? Hardly any! Africa is a hotbed of dictatorships, famine, and uprisings and wars. And it is not much better elsewhere. Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off? Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...
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Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? We know what life was like under the Brits ... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210610143126968.html It was just before Christmas in 1957. Mbithuka Kimweli was travelling with his wife Naomi and their three young children. The officers demanded to know his involvement with the "Mau Mau" anti-colonial movement. So it got worse when you guys left ... or did you teach it to them? 
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3
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Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule. It's not about satisfying me, it's about being accurate. Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? While unanswerable, the question "Would these dictators have risen to power if the nations had not been colonized in the first place?" ought to be a factor in any statements on the issue. Also, is a London based dictator any better than a locally based one? Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Smoke screen? You state that you were prepared to speak on behalf of the citizens of former colonies, yet you appear to ignore their dead at the hands of their colonial masters. Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label. As much as any other poster to these fora? I am British, you are not, so please don't try and get all high and mighty with me, because it won't wash. How soon you forget. I am British, I have a valid British passport, my mother, father, siblings and their offspring live in the UK. If the British were still in administration in India, I strongly believe that the Indian nation would be better off than they are now. And specifically, I don't believe that Indian women would be treated like they are today. That is an international scandal. Chris, in the past I've pointed out that some of your comments appeared to be in the vein of opinion as fact, your statements about British colonial rule certainly appear to be of the same ilk. "Strong belief", to my mind, is a more accurate description that "Fact". If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread. Oh, and BTW Bobby, we may as intelligent educated adults, strongly disagree on various issues, but I still wish you and yours, a happy New Year. Indeed, and the same to you. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread. There is one and if you would like I'll ask the mods to unlock it.
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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To avoid getting racist or imperialist... I think the real issue here is more about CULTURES that are against women and denigrate women as being of no value or of being badly dangerous even. Is that a feature of certain countries, politics, or religions? How do people grow up to treat women so horribly very badly?! All a question of education?... All in our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1322782 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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And so it begins under the guise and excuse of religion: Indonesia city to ban women 'straddling motorbikes' A city in the Indonesian province of Aceh which follows Sharia has ordered female passengers not to straddle motorbikes behind male drivers. ... Also note in the example photo for who has the crash helmet protection... All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1324233 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Avaaz picks up the cause: Ending India's war on women The Indian attitudes look to be truly despicably decrepit... Here's hoping Avaaz and the world outrage can drag India and other countries into more modern enlightened positive views. All on our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1324555 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: The rapes that India forgot Last month's brutal gang rape of a young woman in the Indian capital, Delhi, has caught public attention and caused worldwide outrage. But here, the BBC's Geeta Pandey in Delhi recalls other prominent cases which made the headlines, then faded from public memory. ... ... They say until social attitudes change and women are respected and treated as equals, the gains from the protests will be shortlived. India rape: Delhi court hears of forensic evidence ... The woman, 23, died last weekend. Her friend has been recalling the harrowing details of the attack on a bus. The man, who has not been named, told Zee News how he and the victim had boarded the bus and paid a fare, before he was beaten unconscious by men on board, who then attacked her. ... ... the case continues to put Indian life under a sharp magnifying glass, and for many people it is uncomfortable viewing. ... Some gruesome examples. All on our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1325030 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: Might this latest example turn both opinion and culture? India rape: Name my daughter, says victim's father The father of an Indian woman who was gang-raped in Delhi and later died says her name should be made public so she can serve as an inspiration to other victims of sexual crimes. The father told Britain's Sunday People newspaper: "We want the world to know her real name." ... ... The BBC's Andrew North, in Delhi, says it continues to put Indian life under a sharp magnifying glass and for many people it is uncomfortable viewing. A gruesome example. All on our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1325339 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: And the wider story gets worse: The girls stolen from the streets of India ... The widespread killing of female foetuses and infants is well-documented, but less well-known is the trafficking of girls across the country to make up for the resulting shortages. ... ... In India, the cycle of abuse carries on. The story uncovers a country in which infanticide, kidnap of young girls into slavery, trafficking, repeated rape, and police bribery, are all rife and country-wide... And all only against girls and women. A very gruesome example. All on our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1326126 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Title updated... See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1326127 · |
Luigi Naruszewicz  Send message Joined: 19 Nov 99 Posts: 620 Credit: 23,910,372 RAC: 14
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Considering the difference in size of the population rape of women is far more endemic in South Africa than India. Rape in South Africa .  A person who makes no mistakes, creates nothing. ID: 1326449 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Will India and Indian culture change for the better from this atrocity, or will the same shame and abuse all be continued just the same? India gang rape trial begins in fast-track Delhi court The trial of five men over the gang rape and murder of a 23-year-old woman has begun at a specially convened fast-track court in India's capital, Delhi. ... ... defence lawyers argued that it should be open to the media. The judge rejected their request and said it should be held behind closed doors... India's women commuters face daily sexual harassment ... India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said that economic progress is impossible without the "active participation" of women, but there are signs that the Delhi gang-rape case has led some to turn their backs on the workplace. A survey by industry group ASSOCHAM published this month showed a 40 per cent fall in the productivity of female employees at call centres and IT firms in the country because many had reduced their hours or had quit their jobs. Insensitive comments from politicians implying women are to blame for sexual assaults and clumsy "safety tips" from police have only fuelled anger among commuters. ... ... Like her other female colleagues, she tries to leave work as early as possible and expresses no faith in the Indian police's ability to protect her.... Is there noone from India to comment on these forums? All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1329996 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Delhi rape case: Five accused plead not guilty Five men have pleaded not guilty to the rape and murder of a female student in a Delhi bus in December... Can anyone from India comment on these forums? All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1334038 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Unfortunately cruel stories, and this is just for two of the women in Timbuktu: Timbuktu: the women singled out for persecution The harsh reality inflicted on the people of Timbuktu by al-Qaeda and its allies is betrayed by the ordeal of Azahara Abdou Maiga. Five of the Islamists placed a gun to the 20-year-old's head, ordered her to keep silent or be killed, and then... All on our only planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1334463 · |
Jim_S  Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4705 Credit: 64,560,357 RAC: 31
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Unfortunately cruel stories, and this is just for two of the women in Timbuktu: These kind of atrocities Need to be brought into the light and be Stopped!  I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) ID: 1334740 · |
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