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Surprised that with the current news from India that this hasn't been picked up yet on these forums: | |
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If the British were still in charge there, it wouldn't have happened. | |
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He was rubbish during the 1947/48 handover ... | |
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If the British were still in charge there, it wouldn't have happened. Right, 'cos nothing like that happens in the UK, right? ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...  | |
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That is not fair Bobby. Although this is an isolated and extremely rare incident, we are treating this with the utmost seriousness. I have said before, and I will say again, that generally speaking, the world was a nicer more peaceful place when there was a British Empire. Yes of course we didn't get it right all the time, we know and fully accept that. But you just look at all these previously British colonies that have been given their independence. How many of them are better off? Hardly any! Africa is a hotbed of dictatorships, famine, and uprisings and wars. And it is not much better elsewhere. India was better off under British rule. Fact. And so would their women be today. Fact. | |
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That is not fair Bobby. Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule. I have said before, and I will say again, that generally speaking, the world was a nicer more peaceful place when there was a British Empire. Yes of course we didn't get it right all the time, we know and fully accept that. But you just look at all these previously British colonies that have been given their independence. How many of them are better off? Hardly any! Africa is a hotbed of dictatorships, famine, and uprisings and wars. And it is not much better elsewhere. Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off? Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label. ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule. I will restate then that similar things would be mostly unlikely to happen under British Rule. Does that satisfy you? Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? I am prepared to speak upon their behalf, and why shouldn't I? It was my country that ruled them, and gave them their independence. I defend my corner robustly and for good reasons. Idi Amin in Uganda, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, what was formerly Rhodesia. How many more should I list? Almost universally when the Brits moved out, and the locals took over, they went to the dogs. Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Maybe maybe not, that is a smoke screen. Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off? Maybe not. Yet another smoke screen. Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label. So how much weight does your humble opinion carry around here then? I am British, you are not, so please don't try and get all high and mighty with me, because it won't wash. If the British were still in administration in India, I strongly believe that the Indian nation would be better off than they are now. And specifically, I don't believe that Indian women would be treated like they are today. That is an international scandal. Oh, and BTW Bobby, we may as intelligent educated adults, strongly disagree on various issues, but I still wish you and yours, a happy New Year. | |
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Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? We know what life was like under the Brits ... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210610143126968.html It was just before Christmas in 1957. Mbithuka Kimweli was travelling with his wife Naomi and their three young children. The officers demanded to know his involvement with the "Mau Mau" anti-colonial movement. So it got worse when you guys left ... or did you teach it to them? ____________   | |
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Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule. It's not about satisfying me, it's about being accurate. Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? While unanswerable, the question "Would these dictators have risen to power if the nations had not been colonized in the first place?" ought to be a factor in any statements on the issue. Also, is a London based dictator any better than a locally based one? Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Smoke screen? You state that you were prepared to speak on behalf of the citizens of former colonies, yet you appear to ignore their dead at the hands of their colonial masters. Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label. As much as any other poster to these fora? I am British, you are not, so please don't try and get all high and mighty with me, because it won't wash. How soon you forget. I am British, I have a valid British passport, my mother, father, siblings and their offspring live in the UK. If the British were still in administration in India, I strongly believe that the Indian nation would be better off than they are now. And specifically, I don't believe that Indian women would be treated like they are today. That is an international scandal. Chris, in the past I've pointed out that some of your comments appeared to be in the vein of opinion as fact, your statements about British colonial rule certainly appear to be of the same ilk. "Strong belief", to my mind, is a more accurate description that "Fact". If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread. Oh, and BTW Bobby, we may as intelligent educated adults, strongly disagree on various issues, but I still wish you and yours, a happy New Year. Indeed, and the same to you. ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread. There is one and if you would like I'll ask the mods to unlock it. ____________ | |
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Why not? | |
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To avoid getting racist or imperialist... | |
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Why not? Okay guys. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69643 is available again. ____________ | |
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Thanks Gary, Hopefully it wont need to be hidden or locked again, if we all behave sensibly. | |
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And so it begins under the guise and excuse of religion: | |
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The city mayor says women straddling motorbikes are not in line with Islamic values I can see this getting heavy ..... | |
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Avaaz picks up the cause: | |
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: | |
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: Might this latest example turn both opinion and culture? India rape: Name my daughter, says victim's father The father of an Indian woman who was gang-raped in Delhi and later died says her name should be made public so she can serve as an inspiration to other victims of sexual crimes. The father told Britain's Sunday People newspaper: "We want the world to know her real name." ... ... The BBC's Andrew North, in Delhi, says it continues to put Indian life under a sharp magnifying glass and for many people it is uncomfortable viewing. A gruesome example. All on our only world, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop: And the wider story gets worse: The girls stolen from the streets of India ... The widespread killing of female foetuses and infants is well-documented, but less well-known is the trafficking of girls across the country to make up for the resulting shortages. ... ... In India, the cycle of abuse carries on. The story uncovers a country in which infanticide, kidnap of young girls into slavery, trafficking, repeated rape, and police bribery, are all rife and country-wide... And all only against girls and women. A very gruesome example. All on our only world, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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