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Message 1322162 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 13:13:51 UTC
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Surprised that with the current news from India that this hasn't been picked up yet on these forums:

If you thought some of the atrocities against women and girls in Afghanistan was bad... Perhaps India and Pakistan hide a yet more grievous atrocity in their culture:


How India treats its women

... When the unidentified woman died in a Singapore hospital early on Saturday, the victim of [an extremely brutally] savage rape on a moving bus in the capital, Delhi, it was time again, many said, to ask: why does India treat its women so badly? ...


To be 'extremely charitable': Better education needed?...

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Message 1322165 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 13:22:14 UTC

If the British were still in charge there, it wouldn't have happened.

Fact.

Perhaps we need another Lord Mountbatten.

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Message 1322405 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 21:32:06 UTC

He was rubbish during the 1947/48 handover ...
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Message 1322477 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 0:16:37 UTC - in response to Message 1322165.

If the British were still in charge there, it wouldn't have happened.

Fact.

Perhaps we need another Lord Mountbatten.


Right, 'cos nothing like that happens in the UK, right?
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Message 1322594 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 12:19:42 UTC

That is not fair Bobby.

Although this is an isolated and extremely rare incident, we are treating this with the utmost seriousness.

This was a horrific and unusual attack of a defenceless school girl making her way home via her usual route,

I have said before, and I will say again, that generally speaking, the world was a nicer more peaceful place when there was a British Empire. Yes of course we didn't get it right all the time, we know and fully accept that. But you just look at all these previously British colonies that have been given their independence. How many of them are better off? Hardly any! Africa is a hotbed of dictatorships, famine, and uprisings and wars. And it is not much better elsewhere.

India was better off under British rule.

Fact.

And so would their women be today.

Fact.




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Message 1322667 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 14:46:50 UTC - in response to Message 1322594.

That is not fair Bobby.

Although this is an isolated and extremely rare incident, we are treating this with the utmost seriousness.

This was a horrific and unusual attack of a defenceless school girl making her way home via her usual route,


Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule.

I have said before, and I will say again, that generally speaking, the world was a nicer more peaceful place when there was a British Empire. Yes of course we didn't get it right all the time, we know and fully accept that. But you just look at all these previously British colonies that have been given their independence. How many of them are better off? Hardly any! Africa is a hotbed of dictatorships, famine, and uprisings and wars. And it is not much better elsewhere.

India was better off under British rule.

Fact.

And so would their women be today.

Fact.


Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations? Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism? Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off? Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label.
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Message 1322676 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 15:24:06 UTC

Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule.

I will restate then that similar things would be mostly unlikely to happen under British Rule. Does that satisfy you?

Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations?

I am prepared to speak upon their behalf, and why shouldn't I? It was my country that ruled them, and gave them their independence. I defend my corner robustly and for good reasons. Idi Amin in Uganda, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, what was formerly Rhodesia. How many more should I list? Almost universally when the Brits moved out, and the locals took over, they went to the dogs.

Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism?

Maybe maybe not, that is a smoke screen.

Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off?

Maybe not. Yet another smoke screen.

Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label.

So how much weight does your humble opinion carry around here then? I am British, you are not, so please don't try and get all high and mighty with me, because it won't wash. If the British were still in administration in India, I strongly believe that the Indian nation would be better off than they are now. And specifically, I don't believe that Indian women would be treated like they are today. That is an international scandal.

Oh, and BTW Bobby, we may as intelligent educated adults, strongly disagree on various issues, but I still wish you and yours, a happy New Year.







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Message 1322720 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 17:11:23 UTC - in response to Message 1322676.

Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations?

I am prepared to speak upon their behalf, and why shouldn't I? It was my country that ruled them, and gave them their independence. I defend my corner robustly and for good reasons. Idi Amin in Uganda, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, what was formerly Rhodesia. How many more should I list? Almost universally when the Brits moved out, and the locals took over, they went to the dogs

We know what life was like under the Brits ...
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210610143126968.html
It was just before Christmas in 1957. Mbithuka Kimweli was travelling with his wife Naomi and their three young children. The officers demanded to know his involvement with the "Mau Mau" anti-colonial movement.

They separated Naomi from the children, blindfolded and beat her, then raped her with a glass bottle. Nearby, they castrated her husband with a pair of pliers.

So it got worse when you guys left ... or did you teach it to them?

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Message 1322761 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 18:36:49 UTC - in response to Message 1322676.

Rare <> never. You said the horrific crime in India would never happen under British rule, I tried to show that similar things (albeit rarely) happen under British rule.

I will restate then that similar things would be mostly unlikely to happen under British Rule. Does that satisfy you?

It's not about satisfying me, it's about being accurate.

Who makes the determination of "better off", you or the citizens of the now independent nations?

I am prepared to speak upon their behalf, and why shouldn't I? It was my country that ruled them, and gave them their independence. I defend my corner robustly and for good reasons. Idi Amin in Uganda, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, what was formerly Rhodesia. How many more should I list? Almost universally when the Brits moved out, and the locals took over, they went to the dogs.

While unanswerable, the question "Would these dictators have risen to power if the nations had not been colonized in the first place?" ought to be a factor in any statements on the issue. Also, is a London based dictator any better than a locally based one?

Would the people of Africa and India have been involved in the First and Second World Wars were it not for colonialism?

Maybe maybe not, that is a smoke screen.

Did their participation in those wars result in them being better off?

Maybe not. Yet another smoke screen.

Smoke screen? You state that you were prepared to speak on behalf of the citizens of former colonies, yet you appear to ignore their dead at the hands of their colonial masters.

Your so called "facts" are debatable, and, imho, do not warrant the label.

So how much weight does your humble opinion carry around here then?

As much as any other poster to these fora?

I am British, you are not, so please don't try and get all high and mighty with me, because it won't wash.

How soon you forget. I am British, I have a valid British passport, my mother, father, siblings and their offspring live in the UK.

If the British were still in administration in India, I strongly believe that the Indian nation would be better off than they are now. And specifically, I don't believe that Indian women would be treated like they are today. That is an international scandal.

Chris, in the past I've pointed out that some of your comments appeared to be in the vein of opinion as fact, your statements about British colonial rule certainly appear to be of the same ilk. "Strong belief", to my mind, is a more accurate description that "Fact". If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread.

Oh, and BTW Bobby, we may as intelligent educated adults, strongly disagree on various issues, but I still wish you and yours, a happy New Year.

Indeed, and the same to you.

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Message 1322777 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 19:21:42 UTC - in response to Message 1322761.

If you'd like to explore the pros and cons of British colonialism further, I suspect we'll need a separate thread.

There is one and if you would like I'll ask the mods to unlock it.

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Message 1322779 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 19:23:45 UTC

Why not?

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Message 1322782 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 19:35:19 UTC

To avoid getting racist or imperialist...

I think the real issue here is more about CULTURES that are against women and denigrate women as being of no value or of being badly dangerous even.


Is that a feature of certain countries, politics, or religions?

How do people grow up to treat women so horribly very badly?!


All a question of education?...

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Message 1322800 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 20:10:47 UTC - in response to Message 1322779.

Why not?

Okay guys.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69643
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Message 1323194 - Posted: 1 Jan 2013, 12:50:09 UTC

Thanks Gary, Hopefully it wont need to be hidden or locked again, if we all behave sensibly.

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Message 1324233 - Posted: 3 Jan 2013, 17:30:35 UTC

And so it begins under the guise and excuse of religion:


Indonesia city to ban women 'straddling motorbikes'

A city in the Indonesian province of Aceh which follows Sharia has ordered female passengers not to straddle motorbikes behind male drivers. ...


Also note in the example photo for who has the crash helmet protection...


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Message 1324251 - Posted: 3 Jan 2013, 17:51:32 UTC

The city mayor says women straddling motorbikes are not in line with Islamic values

I can see this getting heavy .....

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Message 1324555 - Posted: 4 Jan 2013, 12:06:51 UTC

Avaaz picks up the cause:


Ending India's war on women


The Indian attitudes look to be truly despicably decrepit...

Here's hoping Avaaz and the world outrage can drag India and other countries into more modern enlightened positive views.


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Message 1325030 - Posted: 5 Jan 2013, 19:10:31 UTC

All set to a very unwholesome backdrop:


The rapes that India forgot

Last month's brutal gang rape of a young woman in the Indian capital, Delhi, has caught public attention and caused worldwide outrage. But here, the BBC's Geeta Pandey in Delhi recalls other prominent cases which made the headlines, then faded from public memory. ...

... They say until social attitudes change and women are respected and treated as equals, the gains from the protests will be shortlived.



India rape: Delhi court hears of forensic evidence

... The woman, 23, died last weekend. Her friend has been recalling the harrowing details of the attack on a bus.

The man, who has not been named, told Zee News how he and the victim had boarded the bus and paid a fare, before he was beaten unconscious by men on board, who then attacked her. ...

... the case continues to put Indian life under a sharp magnifying glass, and for many people it is uncomfortable viewing. ...




Some gruesome examples.

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Message 1325339 - Posted: 6 Jan 2013, 16:59:36 UTC - in response to Message 1325030.

All set to a very unwholesome backdrop:



Might this latest example turn both opinion and culture?

India rape: Name my daughter, says victim's father

The father of an Indian woman who was gang-raped in Delhi and later died says her name should be made public so she can serve as an inspiration to other victims of sexual crimes.

The father told Britain's Sunday People newspaper: "We want the world to know her real name." ...

... The BBC's Andrew North, in Delhi, says it continues to put Indian life under a sharp magnifying glass and for many people it is uncomfortable viewing.




A gruesome example.

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Message 1326126 - Posted: 9 Jan 2013, 18:23:48 UTC - in response to Message 1325339.
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All set to a very unwholesome backdrop:



And the wider story gets worse:

The girls stolen from the streets of India

... The widespread killing of female foetuses and infants is well-documented, but less well-known is the trafficking of girls across the country to make up for the resulting shortages. ...

... In India, the cycle of abuse carries on.



The story uncovers a country in which infanticide, kidnap of young girls into slavery, trafficking, repeated rape, and police bribery, are all rife and country-wide... And all only against girls and women.


A very gruesome example.

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