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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Article I Section. 8 of the US COnstitution The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Sixty-first Congress of the United States of America, At the First Session, Begun and held at the City of Washington on Monday, the fifteenth day of March, one thousand nine hundred and nine. JOINT RESOLUTION Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which, when ratified by the legislature of three-fourths of the several States, shall be valid to all intents and purposes as a part of the Constitution: "ARTICLE XVI. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
In a democracy all the government has to do is fool most of the people most of the time, and if the controlled media and the government are working together it's easy. Rupert Murdoch and Faux News comes to mind ... |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
Remember, the Constitution of the United States requires Congress "to promote the general welfare." With that in mind, in whatever cases that overall, it is demonstrably more cost-effective to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, (or) provide for the common defence" with public services of some sort, does not simple logic dictate that Congress must apportion spending in the most efficient way available to it? |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
In a democracy all the government has to do is fool most of the people most of the time, and if the controlled media and the government are working together it's easy. I'll drink to that, Gary. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
My, someone keeps saying Constitution and then quotes another document. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Remember, the Constitution of the United States requires Congress "to promote the general welfare." With that in mind, in whatever cases that overall, it is demonstrably more cost-effective to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, (or) provide for the common defence" with public services of some sort, does not simple logic dictate that Congress must apportion spending in the most efficient way available to it? The general welfare clause was not meant for the use you imply. Before you go and use someones thinking on that clause you should go to the founders and find the intent of it. Just sayin... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
In a democracy all the government has to do is fool most of the people most of the time, and if the controlled media and the government are working together it's easy. Toast Stephen B. Burke and MSNBC/CNBC as well. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
The general welfare clause was not meant for the use you imply. Before you go and use someones thinking on that clause you should go to the founders and find the intent of it. Just sayin... Out of curiosity, As you are a constitutional "literalist" can you please explain your interpretation of this ? The phrase "Promote the general welfare" draws a pretty wide bow. I'm not being smart when I ask this question. I ask it from the position of an observer located many thousands of miles away who is unfamiliar with all the quirks, interpretations and court rulings that have taken place over the last 230 odd years. T.A. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The general welfare clause was not meant for the use you imply. Before you go and use someones thinking on that clause you should go to the founders and find the intent of it. Just sayin... If he says intent, he will quote from The Federalist Papers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The general welfare clause was not meant for the use you imply. Before you go and use someones thinking on that clause you should go to the founders and find the intent of it. Just sayin... I'm sorry, I have trouble reading that late 17th century muddle. Those big Bs meant in place of double s's make my eyes hurt. Maybe I could get Glenn Beck to translate to modern day language for me? ;) Hessian! |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
My, someone keeps saying Constitution and then quotes another document. The Preamble of the Constitution is not "another document" Gary. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
The general welfare clause was not meant for the use you imply. Before you go and use someones thinking on that clause you should go to the founders and find the intent of it. Just sayin... Indeed "The Federalist Papers" would be intent of law and the only thing needed while it's interpreted. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
My, someone keeps saying Constitution and then quotes another document. The quote was from the Declaration of Independence, not the preamble to the Constitution. |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
My, someone keeps saying Constitution and then quotes another document. Which quote? |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
...Constitution...requires Congress "to promote the general welfare." Once enacted by a majority of the governed or our representatives, all laws are enforced by, duh, force. Why do libertarians and "small government" radicals only notice this when it applies to helping the poor? ...does not simple logic dictate... Seriously? Until and unless you become intelligent enough to understand the difference in usage between what logic dictates and political dictatorship, and honest enough to respect the difference, you are unworthy of my time. I am one of them and will fight it to my dying breath. What would Jesus kill for? Probably not to avoid helping the poor, after instructing his followers in no uncertain terms that the only way into heaven is to sell all you own and give it all to the poor. One need not fall for any of the Bronze Age, superstitious horse hockey to appreciate what Jesus of Nazareth said about decency toward our fellow humans. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
My, someone keeps saying Constitution and then quotes another document. guy wrote: The constitution was written in a way in an attempt to keep power where it rightfully (by Laws of Nature and of Nature's God) belongs. Let's see ... Declaration of Independence wrote: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. preamble wrote: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Care to go again? |
Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
Thanks, Gary. I couldn't tell who you meant by "someone" and Guy didn't put his excerpt from the Declaration of Independence in "quotes." Good catch. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Thanks, Gary. I couldn't tell who you meant by "someone" and Guy didn't put his excerpt from the Declaration of Independence in "quotes." Good catch. The clue to the someone was the "in response to message ####" which you will see on this post as well. |
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