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Message 1320367 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 7:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1320358.

these are the lyrics to Boston's hard rockers Extreme's song "There is no God". In the song the lead singer isn't saying there is no god, just playing the role of devils advocate. The singer is actually religious and believes in God but the song is basically pointing the finger at the people out there that would only believe in God if there is proof, the doubting Thomas types of people. I think it's an excellent song, here are the lyrics:

from 1995's Waiting For The Punchline, A&M records

Extreme - There is No God
BETTENCOURT, NUNO / CHERONE, GARY F. / BADGER, PATRICK
So you're a self proclaimed messiah
Or maybe a blasphemes liar
A clever hypnotic hoax
A hallowed heretic coax
Who tells these stories so old
No, never the same twice told
Speaking in distorted thruths
I see that thomas wants some proof
Did you come to heal the sick
With one more magician's trick
Ye generation seeks a sign
While blind keeps leading the blind

So you say there is no god
Just a clever man's charade
A once upon a fairy tales fraud
Has god made man or man made god

There is no god

Confused thy talk in parables
Accused thou walk in parallels
A simple game of simon says
This month's flavor sciences
Today's fact, tomorrow's fiction
Leave the rest to superstition
If knowledge comes from learning books
Wisdom comes from discerning looks
A fool that says there is no god
Don't feel for that sorry sod
Who needs proof then he'll believe
I wonder if he's been deceived

There is no god
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Finding proof will always be difficult and we may never find any proof until we die, one of life's little mysteries, is God.

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Message 1320382 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 9:10:45 UTC

What interpretation of Which god are we talking about here?

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Message 1320483 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 18:26:21 UTC - in response to Message 1320438.
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Show me where nature created and uses a wheel.

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Message 1320525 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 20:15:00 UTC - in response to Message 1320500.

I would have thought that was blindingly (banded adjective of your choice) obvious.

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Message 1320537 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 20:54:50 UTC - in response to Message 1320438.

Whether or not the earth is or was perfect for the formation of life was not my point. Especially since our presence here makes that statement obvious. For me, the fact that we have neither created any form of life no found a suitable formula for how that first one celled ameba came to be is sufficient to allow for the possibility of God. If and when man or other intelligent being demonstrates that capability then the need for God is dimenished to nothing.



Not only would that cell need to be created by man, but it would need to be created with atoms not of this universe.

You people just don't seem to get it. I have told you over and over again and you still don't seem to get it. WE MIMIC what we see, we create nothing.

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

As I have said--there is no such thing as a simple cell.

Luck with diminishing God. LOL!

I do not agree that all the ingredients would have to be created too. Science has a perfectly good explanation for how nature has created every element from helium to uranium.

And I don't think rearranging DNA and inserting it into an already living creature qualifies as creating life. Although they have been trying for quite a long time as far as I know nobody has suceeded in taking the necessary ingredients and induced the spark of life.

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Message 1320578 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 23:32:14 UTC
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1. It's not unanswered.

"Maybe we're over-optimistic, but I think this is a paradigm shift," says chemist Jeffrey Bada, whose team performed the experiment at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, Calif.

Bada was revisiting the famous experiment first done by his mentor, chemist Stanley Miller, at the University of Chicago in 1953. Miller, along with his colleague Harold Urey, used a sparking device to mimic a lightning storm on early Earth. Their experiment produced a brown broth rich in amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The disclosure made the pages of national magazines and showed that theories about the origin of life could actually be tested in the laboratory.

Amino acids have been created in abiotic conditions, in the lab. Whether or not this is exactly how the first amino acids came to exist on Earth doesn't matter. We have already proven that they could come to be, without any "supernatural" intervention. We know that there is at least one way that the building blocks could have come to be. Once the building blocks were there, all that was needed was time for some to combine into a self-replicating structure, all by themselves, only via the operation of chance over billions of years.

2. We know that gods were created by humans, partly to explain what primitive humans could not understand or explain. If one or more of the questions first asked by a cave man is hypothetically still not answered, that in no way validates the answers made up unscientifically in the Bronze Age or the Iron Age.
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Message 1320599 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 1:04:03 UTC
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Who made the Universal laws that govern the bonding?


It's called organic chemistry.

Who made the laws that bond's the convenient fiction called the "electron" to the nucleus ?? without crashing in to it.

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Message 1320600 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 1:05:50 UTC - in response to Message 1320438.

Whether or not the earth is or was perfect for the formation of life was not my point. Especially since our presence here makes that statement obvious. For me, the fact that we have neither created any form of life no found a suitable formula for how that first one celled ameba came to be is sufficient to allow for the possibility of God. If and when man or other intelligent being demonstrates that capability then the need for God is dimenished to nothing.



Not only would that cell need to be created by man, but it would need to be created with atoms not of this universe.

You people just don't seem to get it. I have told you over and over again and you still don't seem to get it. WE MIMIC what we see, we create nothing.

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

As I have said--there is no such thing as a simple cell.

Luck with diminishing God. LOL!


Monocles from atoms:

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Message 1320601 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 1:08:05 UTC

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.


It will all be done soon enough in the lab. What will you say then ?? That Man is God ??

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Message 1320615 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 2:14:15 UTC
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It should be pointed out that chance follows very precise (in the long run) mathematical laws.

Don't believe me ?? then try this :

Ask two friends to tell you a four digit number. Add them together and then add that total to the previous number. Then add that total to the previous total and so on until you have done this ten times. Then take the ratio of the 10th sum to the 9th sum. It will be 1.618 or perhaps one digit off in the 3rd decimal place. Numbers describe what random chance produces in our world. Einstein said "God does not play dice" well he was wrong. We have quantum mechanics and we have chance governing every aspect of creation. Then take that number and divide it into 1 you will get .618. These numbers relate to the "Golden Ratio" which is woven throughout Nature.

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Message 1320644 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 4:29:24 UTC - in response to Message 1320619.

It should be pointed out that chance follows very precise (in the long run) mathematical laws.

Don't believe me ?? then try this :

Ask two friends to tell you a four digit number. Add them together and then add that total to the next one. Then add that total to the previous total and so on until you have done this ten times. Then take the ratio of the 9th sum to the 10th sum. It will be 1.618 or perhaps one digit off in the 3rd decimal place. Numbers describe what random chance produces in our world. Einstein said "God does not play dice" well he was wrong. We have quantum mechanics and we have chance governing every aspect of creation.

LOL, even math is a story teller.

We do not create. We mimic. We do not govern.

I do not deny quantum mechanics. I deny it runs Order. I was very clear on that.

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