One unanswered question that still allows for the existence of God

these are the lyrics to Boston's hard rockers Extreme's song "There is no God". In the song the lead singer isn't saying there is no god, just playing the role of devils advocate. The singer is actually religious and believes in God but the song is basically pointing the finger at the people out there that would only believe in God if there is proof, the doubting Thomas types of people. I think it's an excellent song, here are the lyrics:

from 1995's Waiting For The Punchline, A&M records

Extreme - There is No God
BETTENCOURT, NUNO / CHERONE, GARY F. / BADGER, PATRICK
So you're a self proclaimed messiah
Or maybe a blasphemes liar
A clever hypnotic hoax
A hallowed heretic coax
Who tells these stories so old
No, never the same twice told
Speaking in distorted thruths
I see that thomas wants some proof
Did you come to heal the sick
With one more magician's trick
Ye generation seeks a sign
While blind keeps leading the blind

So you say there is no god
Just a clever man's charade
A once upon a fairy tales fraud
Has god made man or man made god

There is no god

Confused thy talk in parables
Accused thou walk in parallels
A simple game of simon says
This month's flavor sciences
Today's fact, tomorrow's fiction
Leave the rest to superstition
If knowledge comes from learning books
Wisdom comes from discerning looks
A fool that says there is no god
Don't feel for that sorry sod
Who needs proof then he'll believe
I wonder if he's been deceived

There is no god
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Finding proof will always be difficult and we may never find any proof until we die, one of life's little mysteries, is God.

What interpretation of Which god are we talking about here?

Whether or not the earth is or was perfect for the formation of life was not my point. Especially since our presence here makes that statement obvious. For me, the fact that we have neither created any form of life no found a suitable formula for how that first one celled ameba came to be is sufficient to allow for the possibility of God. If and when man or other intelligent being demonstrates that capability then the need for God is dimenished to nothing.

Show me where nature created and uses a wheel.

Quite apparent Lynn doesn't understand his/her own logic. (smile)

would you like to be the pot or kettle

Whether or not the earth is or was perfect for the formation of life was not my point. Especially since our presence here makes that statement obvious. For me, the fact that we have neither created any form of life no found a suitable formula for how that first one celled ameba came to be is sufficient to allow for the possibility of God. If and when man or other intelligent being demonstrates that capability then the need for God is dimenished to nothing.

Not only would that cell need to be created by man, but it would need to be created with atoms not of this universe.

You people just don't seem to get it. I have told you over and over again and you still don't seem to get it. WE MIMIC what we see, we create nothing.

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

As I have said--there is no such thing as a simple cell.

Luck with diminishing God. LOL!

It's not rearranging DNA and inserting it into an already living creature qualifies as creating life. It's making it from nothing. Even if we could convert energy into matter we would be converting energy that is already here. That does not qualify as creation.

1. It's not unanswered.

"Maybe we're over-optimistic, but I think this is a paradigm shift," says chemist Jeffrey Bada, whose team performed the experiment at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, Calif.

Bada was revisiting the famous experiment first done by his mentor, chemist Stanley Miller, at the University of Chicago in 1953. Miller, along with his colleague Harold Urey, used a sparking device to mimic a lightning storm on early Earth. Their experiment produced a brown broth rich in amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The disclosure made the pages of national magazines and showed that theories about the origin of life could actually be tested in the laboratory.

The assumption has been made that a huge number of random polymers are synthesized. And that these random polymers can only bond in one way, or in many ways that can only come up as making life, all be it in many forms. This is called RNA.

This is not Design?

This is not on purpose?

This is called random? And if so, why call it random?

Who made who? Who made the monomers? These are small parts of DNA and RNA called, nucleic acids.

Who made the Universal laws that govern the bonding?

Them laws that govern the bonding needed ribozymes. And needed them in just the right order and in just the right time, and spot. With the sun and earth in just the right place. And people cannot see Design in this?

Ligation Reaction is indeed used in breeding. Stumbled upon by our First Farmers, more then 6,000 years ago. A Natural tool used by man. This is not Design?

The experiment, done by David Bartel and Jack Szostak, did indeed make a few catalytic RNA molecules called ribozymes that happened to catalyze a ligation reaction. After ten runs. The math follows, it is from this we get billions of years. But like I said the odds of the earth sun moon relationship, the odds of a Universe with just the right Natural laws that govern as we have it, the odds that we are 2/3rd's the way out of our own galaxy on a spiral arm that is not bombarded with deadly radiation, that we just have a favorable place for life to form are in the trillions of years to one, longer then the life of the universe itself.

So, if it's not Design how can it be by blind luck? Chance does not factor into this.

Who made the Universal laws that govern the bonding?

Whether or not the earth is or was perfect for the formation of life was not my point. Especially since our presence here makes that statement obvious. For me, the fact that we have neither created any form of life no found a suitable formula for how that first one celled ameba came to be is sufficient to allow for the possibility of God. If and when man or other intelligent being demonstrates that capability then the need for God is dimenished to nothing.

Not only would that cell need to be created by man, but it would need to be created with atoms not of this universe.

You people just don't seem to get it. I have told you over and over again and you still don't seem to get it. WE MIMIC what we see, we create nothing.

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

As I have said--there is no such thing as a simple cell.

Luck with diminishing God. LOL!

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

Who made the Universal laws that govern the bonding?

It's called organic chemistry.

Who made the laws that bond's the convenient fiction called the "electron" to the nucleus ?? without crashing in to it.

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

It will all be done soon enough in the lab. What will you say then ?? That Man is God ??

Man will never create from nothing, life, as was done the first time around. We would first need to create atoms. Then monocles, from them atoms. And the design blueprints that are not a duplicate of something that is already here for that cell.

It will all be done soon enough in the lab. What will you say then ?? That Man is God ??

It should be pointed out that chance follows very precise (in the long run) mathematical laws.

Don't believe me ?? then try this :

Ask two friends to tell you a four digit number. Add them together and then add that total to the previous number. Then add that total to the previous total and so on until you have done this ten times. Then take the ratio of the 10th sum to the 9th sum. It will be 1.618 or perhaps one digit off in the 3rd decimal place. Numbers describe what random chance produces in our world. Einstein said "God does not play dice" well he was wrong. We have quantum mechanics and we have chance governing every aspect of creation. Then take that number and divide it into 1 you will get .618. These numbers relate to the "Golden Ratio" which is woven throughout Nature.

It should be pointed out that chance follows very precise (in the long run) mathematical laws.

Don't believe me ?? then try this :

Ask two friends to tell you a four digit number. Add them together and then add that total to the next one. Then add that total to the previous total and so on until you have done this ten times. Then take the ratio of the 9th sum to the 10th sum. It will be 1.618 or perhaps one digit off in the 3rd decimal place. Numbers describe what random chance produces in our world. Einstein said "God does not play dice" well he was wrong. We have quantum mechanics and we have chance governing every aspect of creation.

It should be pointed out that chance follows very precise (in the long run) mathematical laws.

Don't believe me ?? then try this :

Ask two friends to tell you a four digit number. Add them together and then add that total to the next one. Then add that total to the previous total and so on until you have done this ten times. Then take the ratio of the 9th sum to the 10th sum. It will be 1.618 or perhaps one digit off in the 3rd decimal place. Numbers describe what random chance produces in our world. Einstein said "God does not play dice" well he was wrong. We have quantum mechanics and we have chance governing every aspect of creation.

LOL, even math is a story teller.

We do not create. We mimic. We do not govern.

I do not deny quantum mechanics. I deny it runs Order. I was very clear on that.