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Message 1341359 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 20:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 1341354.

IMO, people who are unable to control their temper should not own weapons.

Any weapon.

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Message 1341360 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 20:37:31 UTC - in response to Message 1341354.
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IMO, people who are unable to control their temper should not own weapons.


What if one can control one's temper 99.44% of the time?
To paraphrase a recent post of mine, "I'm so glad people who can control their tempers come with t-shirts with some symbol indicating this emblazoned on it, that temper tantrum throwers never are able to purchase such t-shirts, and that all such t-shirt wearers will maintain such an approach the rest of their lives (hence always being able to wear the t-shirt)."

Put another way: I treat even the supposed good guys with much healthy skepticism.

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Message 1341366 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 20:45:04 UTC - in response to Message 1341360.

We have seen temper tantrums here.
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Message 1341368 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 20:54:34 UTC
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We have seen temper tantrums here.

This is Seti Politics, we have done, we do, and we will continue to do so.

Why?

Because people can post here in complete anonymity, and say the most outrageous things that they wouldn't have the guts to say to anyone's face in real life.

And that just about sums up a lot of the people here. If they banned alcohol, spotty teenagers, grumpy old men, and childish tantrums, this forum would die overnight.

Hey, there is a thought :-0

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Message 1341412 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 22:14:27 UTC - in response to Message 1341366.

We have seen temper tantrums here.

We have. And the tools the mods have are about the same as you use to control a child, a "time out."

But a temper tantrum here does not have the same results as one in a bar full of other drunks.

As to 99.44%'ers first we need to define what control is. Control is not getting into physical altercations. Anyone who is 0.56% out of control that way is going to end up in jail, or a mental institution where they belong, thus ending their access to weapons. Perhaps the phrase "road rage" has some application here.

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Message 1341470 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 0:28:33 UTC

Robert A. Heinlein

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
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Message 1341478 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 0:46:37 UTC - in response to Message 1341412.

We have seen temper tantrums here.

We have. And the tools the mods have are about the same as you use to control a child, a "time out."

But a temper tantrum here does not have the same results as one in a bar full of other drunks.

As to 99.44%'ers first we need to define what control is. Control is not getting into physical altercations. Anyone who is 0.56% out of control that way is going to end up in jail, or a mental institution where they belong, thus ending their access to weapons. Perhaps the phrase "road rage" has some application here.


To respond to this and the next post:

Lock and Key
Words by Neil Peart, music by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson

I don't want to face
The killer instinct --
Face it in your or me

We carry a sensitive cargo
Below the waterline --
Ticking like a time bomb
With a primitive design

Behind the finer feelings --
This civilized veneer --
The heart of a lonely hunter
Guards a dangerous frontier

The balance can sometimes fail --
Strong emotions can tip the scale --

Don't want to silence
A desperate voice
For the sake of security
No one wants to make
A terrible choice
On the price of being free
I don't want to face
The killer instinct --
Face it in you or me
So we keep it under lock and key...

It's not a matter of mercy
It's not a matter of laws
Plenty of people will kill you
For some fanatical cause

It's not a matter of conscience --
A search for probable cause
It's just a matter of instinct --
A matter of fatal flaws

No reward for resistance
No assistance --
No applause...

We don't want to be victims
On that we all agree
So we lock up the killer instinct --
And throw away the key...


Perhaps many of us know the great band Rush and recognize the lyrics.
ANYONE can snap. ANYONE. I posted about the medulla oblongata here 5-6 years ago.
The degree to which someone snaps can vary.
But, worse, whether the person who snaps is caught before recovering that "civilized veneer" ... ?

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Message 1341495 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 1:56:51 UTC

I am 53 and as an adult I have never thrown a punch in anger though several times

I have stopped violence that was in front of me, even when it scared the piss out

of me.

I do not claim to be a paragon of virtue, but I have been willing to do what I

can to protect the little piece of the world I live in.

big answers are for someone else.

I feel that if more people would do the say the world would be a nicer place.

can you say the same?


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Message 1341500 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 2:31:07 UTC - in response to Message 1341495.

I am 53 and as an adult I have never thrown a punch in anger though several times

I have stopped violence that was in front of me, even when it scared the piss out

of me.

I do not claim to be a paragon of virtue, but I have been willing to do what I

can to protect the little piece of the world I live in.

big answers are for someone else.

I feel that if more people would do the say the world would be a nicer place.

can you say the same?


Well, I can say that, while I have thrown a small number of punches, to the best of my recollection most or all were in self-defense. Am I not allowed that?

Can I say the same of what? Trying to make the world a nicer place?

If you are not a "paragon of virtue", you too have the capacity to snap at some point. Like I said, everyone has the capacity.

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Message 1341510 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 3:56:22 UTC - in response to Message 1341500.

no doubt you are correct but so far I have not and as a matter of personal choice

I would rather take my self out rather than become such a loss cannon.

I take responsibility for my actions rather than blame my childhood or society.

and for though's that are weak get strong I did it can be done.

even if your brain chemistry is off enough to make you crazy this too can be over

come to some extent, how you live is choice if there is to much stress do

something else.
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Message 1341516 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 4:46:04 UTC - in response to Message 1341500.

If you are not a "paragon of virtue", you too have the capacity to snap at some point. Like I said, everyone has the capacity.

Such as when you find your spouse in bed with another person? Jealousy is a requirement for that. Not everyone is jealous.

I've got news for you. While the capacity to snap and strike out violently is present in the majority, it is not universal.

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Message 1341522 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 5:22:08 UTC - in response to Message 1341516.

I've got news for you. While the capacity to snap and strike out violently is present in the majority, it is not universal.


I'm sorry, but that sounds like an opinion to me.
If it weren't, I think you would have already provided some links.
If not, please enlighten me and provide some of those links.
In the meantime, I would say that we all have the capacity because of the reptilian portion of our evolution. How we react, to twist what dancer42 said a bit, is what matters: we can manage the feelings of jealousy, etc. ... .
(If some portion of humanity has evolved in the direction of Data, please let me know. Even Spock had to manage his boiling half Vulcan blood.)

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Message 1341523 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 5:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1341516.

Such as when you find your spouse in bed with another person? Jealousy is a requirement for that. Not everyone is jealous.


P.S.-rut roh! Did you just make an argument for socialistic treatment of male/female relations?!?

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Message 1341526 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 5:38:38 UTC - in response to Message 1341522.

Even Spock had to manage his boiling half Vulcan blood.)

You think Spock was real? Don't think I need say any more. Up to you to undo the damage you have just done to your argument and provide a study.

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Message 1341527 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 5:53:16 UTC - in response to Message 1341526.

Even Spock had to manage his boiling half Vulcan blood.)

You think Spock was real? Don't think I need say any more. Up to you to undo the damage you have just done to your argument and provide a study.


You think I think Spock was real? :)
OK, well, I'll go conduct a study at Comic Con. :)

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Message 1341528 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 5:53:59 UTC - in response to Message 1341523.

Such as when you find your spouse in bed with another person? Jealousy is a requirement for that. Not everyone is jealous.


P.S.-rut roh! Did you just make an argument for socialistic treatment of male/female relations?!?


P.P.S.-I think Scooby Doo is even realer than Spock. ;)

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Message 1341534 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 6:07:00 UTC
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But seriously, I believe that perhaps I used allegory, and I find evidence on the web that you have before as well. Namely:

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Message 1343194 - Posted: 5 Mar 2013, 6:31:30 UTC - in response to Message 1341528.

Such as when you find your spouse in bed with another person? Jealousy is a requirement for that. Not everyone is jealous.


P.S.-rut roh! Did you just make an argument for socialistic treatment of male/female relations?!?


P.P.S.-I think Scooby Doo is even realer than Spock. ;)

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as to the spock scooby-doo argument I I say more scooby-snacks a.k.a.

ganja goo balls would lead to less violance.
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Message 1344065 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 15:14:29 UTC
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The intent of the second amendment is very clear.

The first amendment is the freedom of speech. It was placed first for a reason. It was the first one taken by the King of England.

The second amendment was also placed for good reason. It's so we have the right to keep the first amendment. There are also many quotes from our founders that tell us that we have this second amendment to keep all of the amendments in our bill of rights from them being taken from us by forces outside of our Country as well as from within our Country.

Any other history being taught about this matter that does not point right back to the founders reasoning is revisionist history AKA a lie. Intent of law can only be found in the very founding of the law. Believing in the Bible is not needed to see the intent of our own law. Many read the Bible as a work of literature. Even I as a believer can also read the Bible as such a work of literature and gleen the intent of our law. The right to self-defense is clear in the Bible as it is with our Bill of Rights.

Never, not once has a firearm jumped up from a table and killed someone on it's own power. The firearm is not dangerous of it's own. When it is handled by someone with intent it can be a power for good or evil depending on the person handeling it.

The danger is wholly within the person mind. I believe in rights be of God/Designer. Being that as it is no one can take such rights from me unless I allow it. I also believe that I have the God/Designers right to defend myself even up to the point of the death of another. If someone or indeed the government itself tells me that I must give up my arms they collectively or singly have said they intend to take rights given freely by my God/Designer. This need not be thought of as such by the nonbeliever as God given, they can and many do accept rights as law written in stone/unbreakable and will also defend the rights as understood by the founders without a God/Designer.
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Message 1344068 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 15:33:42 UTC - in response to Message 1343194.

Such as when you find your spouse in bed with another person? Jealousy is a requirement for that. Not everyone is jealous.


P.S.-rut roh! Did you just make an argument for socialistic treatment of male/female relations?!?


P.P.S.-I think Scooby Doo is even realer than Spock. ;)

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as to the spock scooby-doo argument I I say more scooby-snacks a.k.a.

ganja goo balls would lead to less violance.


Ganja = bad.

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