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Message 1334696 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 20:20:05 UTC

It seems to me that while Schizophrenia may cause a person to be dangerous with

a gun, that any further comment is better addressed as a mental health issue.

no gun by itself is dangerous, it is the man or woman holding the gun that is

dangerous.

violence happens, and we need to address ways to mitigate that throwing tantrums

solves nothing.

yes mental health is broken, a man who was paranoid schizophrenic after being

hospitalized twice for being off his meds the week before strangled to death

a man in the same boarding house because he would not share cigarettes he then

cut the mans head off put it in a backpack and set it on a dumpster about 50

yards away.

this happened less than 50 yards from my house at the time.

needless to say we no longer have to worry about this nuisance because the law

can now deal with this problem, but it cost a life to get there.

the police knew he was a problem, the neighbors knew, I knew.

I reported him other neighbors reported him the police took him to Griffin the

local mental health facility twice in the 10 day prior. This still happened.

so yes the system is broken but what can be done?

Halfway houses can help and to some extent are being done but not nearly enough.
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Message 1334728 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 22:02:26 UTC - in response to Message 1334696.

the police knew he was a problem, the neighbors knew, I knew.

And that is the problem. Until there are bodies piling up, the system can't do anything. It has been forbidden to place a person in a rubber room so they can no longer be a danger to themselves or others. Until they prove they are a danger, e.g. dead bodies, no one can act. This has to change or we accept killing and mass killing.


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Message 1334737 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 23:03:19 UTC

This has to change or we accept killing and mass killing


Prefered Over A Nanny State/Gulag State.

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Message 1334745 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 23:22:05 UTC

We NEED a Separate Thread to deal with Mental Illness...Some of these Posts have Nothing to do with Danger from Firearms...Just My Opinion.
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Message 1334749 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 23:31:38 UTC - in response to Message 1334745.

We NEED a Separate Thread to deal with Mental Illness...Some of these Posts have Nothing to do with Danger from Firearms...Just My Opinion.

A firearm is an inanimate object. It only becomes dangerous when held in the hand. Hands generally are attached to human minds. It is the same subject.

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Message 1334751 - Posted: 4 Feb 2013, 23:38:40 UTC - in response to Message 1334749.

We NEED a Separate Thread to deal with Mental Illness...Some of these Posts have Nothing to do with Danger from Firearms...Just My Opinion.

A firearm is an inanimate object. It only becomes dangerous when held in the hand. Hands generally are attached to human minds. It is the same subject.


Agreed on all points.
It was, in fact, the meaning/point behind IDs titling of the thread.

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Message 1334881 - Posted: 5 Feb 2013, 8:18:17 UTC

The problem as I see it is a combined firearms/mental health problem. But as you can never anticipate when a person is going to have a mental health breakdown then it becomes apparent that the firearms must be controlled. About a quarter of all people have a diagnosed mental health problem each year, usually a mild case of depression or similar, but not in all cases, especially if combined with illegal drugs.

If in any one year 0.000001% of the population of the USA has a mental breakdown that makes them think they should sort out the problem by shooting other people and they have access to a semi-automatic weapon then we have three multiple killings a year.

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Message 1334935 - Posted: 5 Feb 2013, 14:55:45 UTC - in response to Message 1334881.

You need to get rid of a couple zeros to just get to the number in a single major city in the USA in a year. The USA has around 100 major cities, so take two more zeros away.
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Message 1335681 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 4:40:32 UTC

Breakdown?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21373264
The Manifesto.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/feature?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8983607

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Message 1335875 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 19:18:56 UTC - in response to Message 1330795.

Oh, by the way...

All the latest shootings of the mass type, movie house, and schools, were done by people who came from VERY liberal families.

Just sayin...


Yeah, his mama liberally took him out to the gun range quite often, and then liberally lay down to let him shoot her.

Not just saying, except for the lay/lie down thingy.

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Message 1335997 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 2:24:52 UTC

What is free speech here? It's called--banished!
Why is it called banished? Because socialist don't understand free speech.
Why don't they understand free speech? They are sheeple.

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Message 1336029 - Posted: 9 Feb 2013, 5:05:00 UTC - in response to Message 1335976.

The next amendment is: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Maybe the crux of the argument is in those first three words ?

It would appear that they give the government the power to regulate the militia. i.e. The government could make it compulsory for a gun owner to be a member of a registered militia group and to attend training once a month, rather than the current "open slather" approach.

T.A.

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Message 1338960 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 21:29:51 UTC

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Message 1340604 - Posted: 24 Feb 2013, 23:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 1338960.
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if printable guns do not make arguments for gun control obsolete what does?

this is ever more so for high power air guns.
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Message 1340608 - Posted: 25 Feb 2013, 0:16:09 UTC - in response to Message 1336029.

The next amendment is: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Maybe the crux of the argument is in those first three words ?

It would appear that they give the government the power to regulate the militia. i.e. The government could make it compulsory for a gun owner to be a member of a registered militia group and to attend training once a month, rather than the current "open slather" approach.

T.A.



the English language is a wonderful and intricate thing

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

this is the actual way that the second amendment is written if you look at where the commas are you will notice that there is 2 more that what you wrote, and as any English teacher will tell you commas are used to separate concepts.

these the concepts are

1 a well regulated militia is necessary

2. that all states should be free in and of themselves


3. that and armed populace is necessarily to insure the first 2


as such although our founding fathers felt that a militia was necessary it is a separate concept from whether or not we should be able to keep and bare arms.
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Message 1341311 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 17:24:01 UTC

Another USA only problem ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/27/world/europe/switzerland-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

An employee killed two other people before fatally shooting himself at a lumber plant near the central Swiss city of Lucerne on Wednesday, local media reported.

Police said seven people were hurt in the attack, six of them seriously, according to the Lucerne-based daily Neue Luzerner Zeitung.


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Message 1341312 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 17:30:24 UTC
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This speech by Bill Whittle as 'virtual president' pretty well sums up my views on gun control and the reasons it should not be expanded here, and the reasons many in the government want to expand it.

And specifically, he echos my statements posted earlier about what the 2nd amendment is really about.

Bill Whittle.
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Message 1341354 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 20:31:12 UTC

IMO, people who are unable to control their temper should not own weapons.
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