Firearms. Who or what is dangerous?

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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22686 Credit: 4,507,449 RAC: 5,877	Message 1319652 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 16:43:55 UTC Last modified: 24 Dec 2012, 16:44:23 UTC
	More killings
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 2063 Credit: 28,567 RAC: 6	Message 1319654 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 16:47:54 UTC
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10315 Credit: 5,077,023 RAC: 6,060	Message 1319657 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:14:59 UTC - in response to Message 1319654.
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack. Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks. ____________
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Es99 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 7339 Credit: 210,542 RAC: 255	Message 1319662 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:42:27 UTC - in response to Message 1319640.
	Why don't we know who or what is dangerous? Interesting, but hardly surprising considering the power of the gun lobby. "The answers are undoubtedly complex and at this point, only partly known. For gun violence, particularly mass killings such as that in Newtown, to occur, intent and means must converge at a particular time and place. Decades of research have been devoted to understanding the factors that lead some people to commit violence against themselves or others. Substantially less has been done to understand how easy access to firearms mitigates or amplifies both the likelihood and consequences of these acts. For example, background checks have an effect on inappropriate procurement of guns from licensed dealers, but private gun sales require no background check. Laws mandating a minimum age for gun ownership reduce gun fatalities, but firearms still pass easily from legal owners to juveniles and other legally proscribed individuals, such as felons or persons with mental illness. Because ready access to guns in the home increases, rather than reduces, a family's risk of homicide in the home, safe storage of guns might save lives.2 Nevertheless, many gun owners, including gun-owning parents, still keep at least one firearm loaded and readily available for self-defense.3" ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1181 Credit: 3,471,051 RAC: 345	Message 1319678 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:39:53 UTC - in response to Message 1319001.
	They didn't have to. They just waged guerrilla warfare and won. The oldest tacitic in the world. Yes, they won. And we fell for it just like the USSR did. America is there. The invasion was not turned back. The guy in a cave did not win... BECAUSE HE'S LIVING IN A CAVE! Is that your idea of victory? Is that the ideal you aspire to with your precious 2nd amendment? To hide in a cave for the rest of your life seems like defeat to me. They will claim victory when President Obama completes the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Kabul and Kandahar.
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1181 Credit: 3,471,051 RAC: 345	Message 1319680 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:44:41 UTC - in response to Message 1319082.
	So there are some people who you don't think should have guns? Yes. In accordance with all current federal regulations. National Firearms Act (1934) Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 Gun Control Act of 1968 Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986) Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993) And in accordance with individual state laws.
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1181 Credit: 3,471,051 RAC: 345	Message 1319681 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:46:16 UTC - in response to Message 1319110.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10315 Credit: 5,077,023 RAC: 6,060	Message 1319682 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 1319657.
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack. Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks. Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite Now was that suicide by cop? ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1181 Credit: 3,471,051 RAC: 345	Message 1319690 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:17:34 UTC - in response to Message 1319682.
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack. Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks. Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite Now was that suicide by cop? It was another senseless tragedy. The shooter is dead. Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know. Is it because all he hears on the news is that he's got a bunch of free stuff coming and it never comes, causing him to lose his mind? Is it because he was raised in a broken home and learned that life is not precious because of all the suffering and misery he saw around his neighborhood because of self-inflicted demise? Did all the violent video games he was playing desensitize him to death? Did he all of a sudden come to the realization after he shot two innocent firefighters of the magnitude of what he just did and out of sheer desparation commit suicide? Was he tired of standing in line at the welfare office justifying why he is entitled to an extension of his welfare checks? Did he realize what's going to happen to his 401k in the near future? Did he get overwhelmed by the idea how much consumer debt he had accumulated and felt such a sense of despare that caused him to lose all hope? Did he spend his last dollar on a lottery ticket and finally cracked because he still hadn't won? Did his boss at McDonalds reprimand him because he failed to clean the bathrooms? Did he get out leveraged in a multi-million dollar real estate deal that caused him to wake up and realize he was rich yesterday and now broke today? Did his probation officer tell him the next time he fails to report he's going back in the slammer? Did he get ripped off in a meth deal? Did the Dodge dealer send him a notice that he needs to turn in his lease? Did the repair man say he fixed his heater but after he left found that it's still not working? Did Walmart refuse to refund his money on a giant screen tv now that his favorite TV series is now over? Did H&R Block not give him enough of an advanced refund this year? Did he take some bad acid? Did the baby puke on his brand new $3,500 suit? Did his doctor tell him he has an advanced stage of colon cancer? Did those darn gophers come back and tear up his garden after he just got the flower bed the way he wanted it? Did the donut on his car finally go flat and he became stuck because he didn't get the original tire fixed? Did someone leave a flaming bag of dog poop on his door step, ring the door bell and then run off? Was he angry that President Obama hasn't done much of anything that he has promised to do and decided to add to the national debate about gun control at the expense of his life?
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1061 Credit: 2,002,024 RAC: 2,523	Message 1319692 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1319681.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine. It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one. ____________
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,226,243 RAC: 1,634	Message 1319701 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:50:48 UTC - in response to Message 1319690. Last modified: 24 Dec 2012, 19:56:13 UTC
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack. Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks. Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite Now was that suicide by cop? It was another senseless tragedy. The shooter is dead. Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know. Is it because ... What evidence do you have for any of these? Ever been to Webster, NY? Know what's it people are like? Ridden the snowmobiles with them over to the tavern for a good ole Irish drink? Enjoyed some of their venison? No? I have. Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for.
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 1704 Credit: 13,287,048 RAC: 6,446	Message 1319704 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 1319690.
	Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack. Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks. Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite Now was that suicide by cop? It was another senseless tragedy. The shooter is dead. Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know. Is it because ... I suspect it was not to enable some anonymous guy idly speculate via posting a list of unconnected "reasons" that likely do more to describe the guy's own concerns than the perpetrator's. ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...
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dancer42 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 339 Credit: 1,046,122 RAC: 2,179	Message 1319709 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:33:26 UTC - in response to Message 1319662. Last modified: 24 Dec 2012, 21:15:51 UTC
	For example, background checks have an effect on inappropriate procurement of guns from licensed dealers, but private gun sales require no background check. Laws mandating a minimum age for gun ownership reduce gun fatalities, but firearms still pass easily from legal owners to juveniles and other legally proscribed individuals, such as felons or persons with mental illness. Because ready access to guns in the home increases, rather than reduces, a family's risk of homicide in the home, safe storage of guns might save lives.2 Nevertheless, many gun owners, including gun-owning parents, still keep at least one firearm loaded and readily available for self-defense.3"[/i][/quote] =================================================================== The founding fathers were vary clear on this the right to keep and bare arms was a direct check against a tirantical government. It's intent was the joe public take the responsibility to keep a free form of government and to police it self in the absence of police. to detain law breakers for due process, and to defend against unlawful deadly force is a citizens duty. as to the above comments 1 illegal ownership of guns is illegal. 2 In my house hold to touch a gun before age 7 was not allowed unsupervised, after age 7 I had to demonstrate a knowledge of safe usage including there is no such thing as an unloaded weapon. 3 As to more gun death by gun owner, this is only true were a gun was bought to protect against a violent family member recently. All other classes of gun owners have statistically normal rates of death. 4 common since is if you have a mentally unbalance person how could be a threat to themselves or others you don't keep guns in the house. 5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2. ____________
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10315 Credit: 5,077,023 RAC: 6,060	Message 1319710 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1319701.
	Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for. Small world. I'll be meeting with a gentleman from Webster, about a fire just after the new year. ____________
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10315 Credit: 5,077,023 RAC: 6,060	Message 1319712 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1319692.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine. It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one. Wonder about that. The fool with the 30 round mag may have more problem with aim as the weight gets less. The idiot with 3, 10 round mags won't have as big an issue. Also the idiot will have thought to bring extra ammo. ____________
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10315 Credit: 5,077,023 RAC: 6,060	Message 1319713 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:48:33 UTC - in response to Message 1319709.
	5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2. All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it. ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1181 Credit: 3,471,051 RAC: 345	Message 1319716 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 21:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 1319692.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine. It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one. It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine. (MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.)
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,226,243 RAC: 1,634	Message 1319725 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine. It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one. It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine. (MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.) No, a "clip" is short for "roach clip", well known by pot smoking Satan-worshipping A.F. newbies in the mid-to-late '80s.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,226,243 RAC: 1,634	Message 1319727 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:04:41 UTC - in response to Message 1319713.
	5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2. All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it. This cannot be correct. We reject magicks, so it must've been God.
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1061 Credit: 2,002,024 RAC: 2,523	Message 1319731 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:37:54 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.
	And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity. Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine. It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one. It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine. (MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.) Guy you know it takes time to swap out a magazine that is why the military uses large magazines. ____________
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