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Message 1319652 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 16:43:55 UTC
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Message 1319654 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 16:47:54 UTC

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

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Message 1319657 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:14:59 UTC - in response to Message 1319654.

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.


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Message 1319662 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:42:27 UTC - in response to Message 1319640.

Why don't we know who or what is dangerous?

Interesting, but hardly surprising considering the power of the gun lobby.

"The answers are undoubtedly complex and at this point, only partly known. For gun violence, particularly mass killings such as that in Newtown, to occur, intent and means must converge at a particular time and place. Decades of research have been devoted to understanding the factors that lead some people to commit violence against themselves or others. Substantially less has been done to understand how easy access to firearms mitigates or amplifies both the likelihood and consequences of these acts.

For example, background checks have an effect on inappropriate procurement of guns from licensed dealers, but private gun sales require no background check. Laws mandating a minimum age for gun ownership reduce gun fatalities, but firearms still pass easily from legal owners to juveniles and other legally proscribed individuals, such as felons or persons with mental illness. Because ready access to guns in the home increases, rather than reduces, a family's risk of homicide in the home, safe storage of guns might save lives.2 Nevertheless, many gun owners, including gun-owning parents, still keep at least one firearm loaded and readily available for self-defense.3"

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Message 1319682 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 1319657.

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?

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Message 1319690 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:17:34 UTC - in response to Message 1319682.
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Message 1319692 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1319681.

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.
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Message 1319701 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:50:48 UTC - in response to Message 1319690.
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Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?


It was another senseless tragedy.

The shooter is dead.

Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know.

Is it because ...


What evidence do you have for any of these?
Ever been to Webster, NY? Know what's it people are like? Ridden the snowmobiles with them over to the tavern for a good ole Irish drink? Enjoyed some of their venison? No? I have.



Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for.

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Message 1319704 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 1319690.

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?


It was another senseless tragedy.

The shooter is dead.

Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know.

Is it because ...



I suspect it was not to enable some anonymous guy idly speculate via posting a list of unconnected "reasons" that likely do more to describe the guy's own concerns than the perpetrator's.
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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1319709 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:33:26 UTC - in response to Message 1319662.
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For example, background checks have an effect on inappropriate procurement of guns from licensed dealers, but private gun sales require no background check. Laws mandating a minimum age for gun ownership reduce gun fatalities, but firearms still pass easily from legal owners to juveniles and other legally proscribed individuals, such as felons or persons with mental illness. Because ready access to guns in the home increases, rather than reduces, a family's risk of homicide in the home, safe storage of guns might save lives.2 Nevertheless, many gun owners, including gun-owning parents, still keep at least one firearm loaded and readily available for self-defense.3"[/i][/quote]
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The founding fathers were vary clear on this the right to keep and

bare arms was a direct check against a tirantical government.

It's intent was the joe public take the responsibility to keep a free

form of government and to police it self in the absence of police.

to detain law breakers for due process, and to defend against unlawful

deadly force is a citizens duty.

as to the above comments

1 illegal ownership of guns is illegal.

2 In my house hold to touch a gun before age 7 was not allowed unsupervised,

after age 7 I had to demonstrate a knowledge of safe usage including there is no

such thing as an unloaded weapon.

3 As to more gun death by gun owner, this is only true were a gun was bought to

protect against a violent family member recently. All other classes of gun

owners have statistically normal rates of death.

4 common since is if you have a mentally unbalance person how could be a threat

to themselves or others you don't keep guns in the house.

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.
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Message 1319710 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1319701.

Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for.

Small world. I'll be meeting with a gentleman from Webster, about a fire just after the new year.

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Message 1319712 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1319692.

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.

Wonder about that. The fool with the 30 round mag may have more problem with aim as the weight gets less. The idiot with 3, 10 round mags won't have as big an issue. Also the idiot will have thought to bring extra ammo.

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Message 1319713 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:48:33 UTC - in response to Message 1319709.

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.

All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it.

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Message 1319725 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.


It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine.

(MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.)


No, a "clip" is short for "roach clip", well known by pot smoking Satan-worshipping A.F. newbies in the mid-to-late '80s.

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Message 1319727 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:04:41 UTC - in response to Message 1319713.

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.

All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it.


This cannot be correct. We reject magicks, so it must've been God.

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Message 1319731 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:37:54 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.


It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine.

(MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.)

Guy you know it takes time to swap out a magazine that is why the military uses large magazines.
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