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Message 1319682 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 18:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 1319657.  

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?

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Message 1319692 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1319681.  

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.
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Message 1319701 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 19:50:48 UTC - in response to Message 1319690.  
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Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?


It was another senseless tragedy.

The shooter is dead.

Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know.

Is it because ...


What evidence do you have for any of these?
Ever been to Webster, NY? Know what's it people are like? Ridden the snowmobiles with them over to the tavern for a good ole Irish drink? Enjoyed some of their venison? No? I have.



Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for.
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Message 1319704 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 1319690.  

Sounds like a Al Qaeda attack.

Fire good at destruction of evidence, or so felony stupid thinks.

Ah, new news. Seems it was an ambush.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/24/16125861-4-volunteer-firefighters-shot-2-killed-in-apparent-trap?lite

Now was that suicide by cop?


It was another senseless tragedy.

The shooter is dead.

Two civic duty minded public servants are now dead. Why? We'll never know.

Is it because ...



I suspect it was not to enable some anonymous guy idly speculate via posting a list of unconnected "reasons" that likely do more to describe the guy's own concerns than the perpetrator's.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1319709 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:33:26 UTC - in response to Message 1319662.  
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For example, background checks have an effect on inappropriate procurement of guns from licensed dealers, but private gun sales require no background check. Laws mandating a minimum age for gun ownership reduce gun fatalities, but firearms still pass easily from legal owners to juveniles and other legally proscribed individuals, such as felons or persons with mental illness. Because ready access to guns in the home increases, rather than reduces, a family's risk of homicide in the home, safe storage of guns might save lives.2 Nevertheless, many gun owners, including gun-owning parents, still keep at least one firearm loaded and readily available for self-defense.3"[/i][/quote]
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The founding fathers were vary clear on this the right to keep and

bare arms was a direct check against a tirantical government.

It's intent was the joe public take the responsibility to keep a free

form of government and to police it self in the absence of police.

to detain law breakers for due process, and to defend against unlawful

deadly force is a citizens duty.

as to the above comments

1 illegal ownership of guns is illegal.

2 In my house hold to touch a gun before age 7 was not allowed unsupervised,

after age 7 I had to demonstrate a knowledge of safe usage including there is no

such thing as an unloaded weapon.

3 As to more gun death by gun owner, this is only true were a gun was bought to

protect against a violent family member recently. All other classes of gun

owners have statistically normal rates of death.

4 common since is if you have a mentally unbalance person how could be a threat

to themselves or others you don't keep guns in the house.

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.
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Message 1319710 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1319701.  

Here's a nice little home in Webster. Funny, I even knew a road name to search for.

Small world. I'll be meeting with a gentleman from Webster, about a fire just after the new year.

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Message 1319712 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1319692.  

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.

Wonder about that. The fool with the 30 round mag may have more problem with aim as the weight gets less. The idiot with 3, 10 round mags won't have as big an issue. Also the idiot will have thought to bring extra ammo.

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Message 1319713 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 20:48:33 UTC - in response to Message 1319709.  

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.

All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it.

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Message 1319725 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.  

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.


It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine.

(MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.)


No, a "clip" is short for "roach clip", well known by pot smoking Satan-worshipping A.F. newbies in the mid-to-late '80s.
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Message 1319727 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:04:41 UTC - in response to Message 1319713.  

5 there is no such thing as an unloaded gun refer to 2.

All guns magically load themselves the instant they are out of sight. No really they do. That or some other idiot is waiting in the wings to do it.


This cannot be correct. We reject magicks, so it must've been God.
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Message 1319731 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 22:37:54 UTC - in response to Message 1319716.  

And soon, hopefully a limit on magazine capacity.


Yes, getting shot from a 10 round magazine is much less fatal than being shot with a 30 round magazine.

It is a lot more difficult to shoot 26 people with a 10 round magazine than a 30 round one.


It's not a lot more difficult to shoot 30 rounds from 3 10-round magazines than from one 30-round magazine.

(MAGAZINE, not CLIP. A CLIP is used to LOAD MAGAZINES faster--for all you anti-gun nut experts.)

Guy you know it takes time to swap out a magazine that is why the military uses large magazines.
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Message 1319755 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 0:31:25 UTC

Saw a pic of the Webster Whack Job.

Man 'O Live. Like looking In The Mirror at meself.

Age is A MO FO. FO SHO.

Can't remember if his hair is parted. Well, guess it depends how he let the Final Round Fly. he a he a he.

Lady said 80 Million Moms are not going to let 5 Mil NRA members push them around. Flex it Momma.

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Message 1319759 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 0:57:41 UTC

What happened at Sandy Hook Elementary is unthinkable. I expect people to have an emotive, visceral response to such a tragedy. I am a father. Upon hearing the news I rushed home and held my daughter tight and I wept. I am sure a lot of Americans did. But I also rushed home to hold my daughter when I saw the leaked gunship footage from the Bradley Manning bundle, which depicts a US military helicopter blowing civilian vehicles to bits, vehicles with Iraqi children in them. My fear is that that is the difference between me and most Americans. Their response to tragedy is not evenly apportioned. It is often myopic and divorced from broader acts of savagery undertaken by their own government. Their response is often simplistic, easily goaded by political leaders and the media with ad metum and ad bellum appeals. I believe that most Americans live in an infantilized, Disney-fied version of the world, where it's somehow alright to decry gun violence when a domestic shooting occurs in an American mall or school, but fail to possess the same indignation and outrage when a US military drone kills a dozen children in Pakistan. Human savagery behaves like a liquid; you cannot agitate it without causing ripples. It spills over and leaks. It gathers and concentrates in the lowest possible points, and it doesn't magically stop at fences and concertina wire. Every facet of the US economy and indeed every mainstream political agenda, liberal and conservative, is intrinsically tied to and dependent upon the culture of militarism and conquest that the United States has imbibed in since at least the Spanish American war. America spends more on its military than any other nation on earth by far. Her social policies and welfare state depend utterly on a GDP that is super charged by global economic marginalization and an unfair advantage in world markets and natural resource extraction, and this is accomplished through militarism, clandestine warfare and bloody regime pacification, which the US engages in regularly under the auspices of its rapacious foreign policy and its endless actual and notional wars, such as the war of terror and the war on drugs. A huge byproduct of this paradigm are the countless military grade weapons waiting to leak through US borders in the event of the supply vacuum caused by a new prohibition on gun ownership. Many of these weapons would be American made and our savagery on the world stage would come home to roost in an even more violent and sadly ironic way than it has with our plethora of deranged gunman. That is not a pro-gun statement. It is a pro-reality assertion. It is cheaper to jump through legal hoops and acquire a gun than it is to deal with the black market, but a gun prohibition would eradicate this cost prohibition, and just like heroin and cocaine before them, M4 rifles would make their way onto American streets. The same weapons that have killed and maimed in the hands of despots would now simply trickle into the US and continue to kill and maim in the hands of gangs or lunatics. Instead of guns flowing out and drugs flowing in, guns and drugs would flow in, because prohibition does not work. You cannot bridle supply by ignoring or legislating against demand. Guns are a symptom, not a cause, and this nation has some deep soul searching to do, about what kind of nation it wants to be and how it wants to project itself at home and abroad, and our militaristic teleology needs to be parsed before any other cultural, clinical or other contributors to these shootings can be addressed. Might I also remind this particularly tech savvy audience that 3D printers are only getting smaller and more powerful. Guns can already be "printed." The implications for this are that the 2nd Amendment is effectively redundant, and with it, law enforcement and the desire to put the genie back in the bottle.
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Message 1319760 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 1:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 1319759.  

What happened at Sandy Hook Elementary is unthinkable. I expect people to have an emotive, visceral response to such a tragedy. I am a father. Upon hearing the news I rushed home and held my daughter tight and I wept. I am sure a lot of Americans did. But I also rushed home to hold my daughter when I saw the leaked gunship footage from the Bradley Manning bundle, which depicts a US military helicopter blowing civilian vehicles to bits, vehicles with Iraqi children in them. My fear is that that is the difference between me and most Americans. Their response to tragedy is not evenly apportioned. It is often myopic and divorced from broader acts of savagery undertaken by their own government. Their response is often simplistic, easily goaded by political leaders and the media with ad metum and ad bellum appeals. I believe that most Americans live in an infantilized, Disney-fied version of the world, where it's somehow alright to decry gun violence when a domestic shooting occurs in an American mall or school, but fail to possess the same indignation and outrage when a US military drone kills a dozen children in Pakistan. Human savagery behaves like a liquid; you cannot agitate it without causing ripples. It spills over and leaks. It gathers and concentrates in the lowest possible points, and it doesn't magically stop at fences and concertina wire. Every facet of the US economy and indeed every mainstream political agenda, liberal and conservative, is intrinsically tied to and dependent upon the culture of militarism and conquest that the United States has imbibed in since at least the Spanish American war. America spends more on its military than any other nation on earth by far. Her social policies and welfare state depend utterly on a GDP that is super charged by global economic marginalization and an unfair advantage in world markets and natural resource extraction, and this is accomplished through militarism, clandestine warfare and bloody regime pacification, which the US engages in regularly under the auspices of its rapacious foreign policy and its endless actual and notional wars, such as the war of terror and the war on drugs. A huge byproduct of this paradigm are the countless military grade weapons waiting to leak through US borders in the event of the supply vacuum caused by a new prohibition on gun ownership. Many of these weapons would be American made and our savagery on the world stage would come home to roost in an even more violent and sadly ironic way than it has with our plethora of deranged gunman. That is not a pro-gun statement. It is a pro-reality assertion. It is cheaper to jump through legal hoops and acquire a gun than it is to deal with the black market, but a gun prohibition would eradicate this cost prohibition, and just like heroin and cocaine before them, M4 rifles would make their way onto American streets. The same weapons that have killed and maimed in the hands of despots would now simply trickle into the US and continue to kill and maim in the hands of gangs or lunatics. Instead of guns flowing out and drugs flowing in, guns and drugs would flow in, because prohibition does not work. You cannot bridle supply by ignoring or legislating against demand. Guns are a symptom, not a cause, and this nation has some deep soul searching to do, about what kind of nation it wants to be and how it wants to project itself at home and abroad, and our militaristic teleology needs to be parsed before any other cultural, clinical or other contributors to these shootings can be addressed. Might I also remind this particularly tech savvy audience that 3D printers are only getting smaller and more powerful. Guns can already be "printed." The implications for this are that the 2nd Amendment is effectively redundant, and with it, law enforcement and the desire to put the genie back in the bottle.

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Message 1319769 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 1:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 1319755.  

Saw a pic of the Webster Whack Job.

Man 'O Live. Like looking In The Mirror at meself.

Age is A MO FO. FO SHO.

Can't remember if his hair is parted. Well, guess it depends how he let the Final Round Fly. he a he a he.

Lady said 80 Million Moms are not going to let 5 Mil NRA members push them around. Flex it Momma.

Tiny Bubbles Broheim. Tiny Bubbles. When I was stationed at Pearl, I watched a guy in a bar play his uke and sing Tiny Bubbles.

Memories. Like when I parted my hair in The 60s.

DEMON...I Remember HOT



You're right, people don't part their hair anymore.
Can we keep him distracted?
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