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Message 1330663 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 8:00:53 UTC

and who lobbied to change it?


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Message 1330673 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 9:10:19 UTC

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Message 1330735 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 16:20:20 UTC - in response to Message 1329969.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

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Message 1330746 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 16:59:27 UTC - in response to Message 1330735.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

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Message 1330749 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:05:17 UTC - in response to Message 1330746.
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I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

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Message 1330751 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:06:23 UTC - in response to Message 1330735.

The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

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Message 1330758 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:23:07 UTC - in response to Message 1330735.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.
As for jerk off factor, Thats something for people who dont know what they are talking about.
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Message 1330762 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 1330758.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.
As for jerk off factor, Thats something for people who dont know what they are talking about.


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Message 1330770 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 1330758.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

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Message 1330771 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:54:19 UTC

Michelle Malkin reported on Fox news last night that in New York state the Dems with their gun control laws do indeed want to take all arms from the citizen. In the law if you have one gun you get one bullet. Indeed a stupid law. While hunting one would need more then one round.

Even so, the report above about the reason for firearms is false from posters here, and a out and out lie. The intent of law is all that is needed for owning a firearm. That intent is tyranny from a standing army within our borders. It is unfortunate and a crime in my thoughts that my link was removed. Because the link gave the reasons for owning a firearm in my country from the mouths of the framers and founders. This is called intent. Of course if socialist, who in their mind want to re-engineer society must interject revisioniest history.



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Message 1330772 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:56:41 UTC - in response to Message 1330758.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.......

Haven't you just answered your own question ?

A civilian version and a 5 round magazine. Therefore you already know the difference between military grade and civilian grade. Under the proposed legislation I doubt you have anything to worry about.

I'm not against guns or gun ownership. It's just like all legal issues there are are those in the US that stretch the second amendment to breaking point. When that amendment was written I'm pretty sure the sponsors were not imagining the sort of fire power that's available these days.

BTW. I'm curious. What sort of game do you hunt with that rifle and what range are you shooting at ?

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Message 1330773 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 1330770.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

Only if it is MILSPEC Gary.
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Message 1330774 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:59:31 UTC - in response to Message 1330770.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

The last I checked a Kbar didn't have a 30 round clip or fire at 800 rounds per minute. So the Military grade weapons we not so obtusely refer to are actually high powered projectile weapons.

These weapons take a great deal of training for the average soldier to use properly. Lets also not forget, if I've failed to mention this before, that these highly skilled users of said weapons must keep that highly accurate, in the right hands, locked up in a secure facility until the need arises for it to be used. How is it Johnny redneck gets to keep the very same weapon, sans automatic ability(if Johnny didn't modify it), next to his bed. Because this country is being blindsided by a small group of gun nuts that think they should have access to anything that can fire a bullet.
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Message 1330781 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 1330774.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

The last I checked a Kbar didn't have a 30 round clip or fire at 800 rounds per minute. So the Military grade weapons we not so obtusely refer to are actually high powered projectile weapons.

These weapons take a great deal of training for the average soldier to use properly. Lets also not forget, if I've failed to mention this before, that these highly skilled users of said weapons must keep that highly accurate, in the right hands, locked up in a secure facility until the need arises for it to be used. How is it Johnny redneck gets to keep the very same weapon, sans automatic ability(if Johnny didn't modify it), next to his bed. Because this country is being blindsided by a small group of gun nuts that think they should have access to anything that can fire a bullet.

So your saying that even with out that automatic option switch that I can still fire 800 rounds per minute? I dont think so. And if Johnny did modify it he broke a federal law to start with.
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Message 1330785 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:08:55 UTC - in response to Message 1330751.

The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

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Message 1330788 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:11:56 UTC

I'll define assault weapon...

Any firearm used to harm a person.

Any box cutter used to harm a person.

Any pen used to harm a person.

Any pencil used to harm a person.

Any jaw bone of an ass used to harm a person.

Any baseball bat used to harm a person.

Any towel and bucket of water used to harm a person.

Any feather used to harm a person.

It's up to you to used your own PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY with all the items correctly. If you misuse them you will be held accountable for your own crimes.

It's not up to the government to MAKE you safe. It's up to you. The only thing the government can do it TAKE things from you. It's up to you to use them things correctly.
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Message 1330795 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:17:55 UTC

Oh, by the way...

All the latest shootings of the mass type, movie house, and schools, were done by people who came from VERY liberal families.

Just sayin...
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Message 1330799 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:21:08 UTC - in response to Message 1330772.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.......

Haven't you just answered your own question ?

A civilian version and a 5 round magazine. Therefore you already know the difference between military grade and civilian grade. Under the proposed legislation I doubt you have anything to worry about.

I'm not against guns or gun ownership. It's just like all legal issues there are are those in the US that stretch the second amendment to breaking point. When that amendment was written I'm pretty sure the sponsors were not imagining the sort of fire power that's available these days.

BTW. I'm curious. What sort of game do you hunt with that rifle and what range are you shooting at ?

T.A.


Only small game. Which in my state is smaller than a deer. Groundhogs, They get big and mean and Ive had them charge me when ive enterd there turf. It was my garden by the way. I have old eyes now days, So I like 100 yards (or a lot less.)

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Message 1330816 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:43:32 UTC - in response to Message 1330771.

Michelle Malkin reported on Fox news last night that in New York state the Dems with their gun control laws do indeed want to take all arms from the citizen. In the law if you have one gun you get one bullet. Indeed a stupid law. While hunting one would need more then one round.

Even so, the report above about the reason for firearms is false from posters here, and a out and out lie. The intent of law is all that is needed for owning a firearm. That intent is tyranny from a standing army within our borders. It is unfortunate and a crime in my thoughts that my link was removed. Because the link gave the reasons for owning a firearm in my country from the mouths of the framers and founders. This is called intent. Of course if socialist, who in their mind want to re-engineer society must interject revisioniest history.

The problem is that when members of one side go to to far (i.e. psycho gun owners who start shooting at innocent civilians instead of a tyrannical standing army). The civilians who then see themselves and their families as potential targets want something done to protect them from that potential threat (and justifiably so).

This means an over reaction from their side by wanting to take guns away from everybody. It isn't just "socialists", I'm pretty sure even the most ardent conservative wants their spouse and kids to come home in one piece at the end of the day. Think about it, is having armed guards in battle dress patrolling schools really the sort of atmosphere you want your kids (or grand kids) brought up in. It just just starts an arms race between the protectors and those that the kids are being protected from.

Do you want the US to become like Israel or some banana republic where there are armed militias patrolling the streets and the attendant risk of bystanders becoming "collateral damage" in a firefight in a shopping mall ? Even a "Constitutional Purist" like you has to realise that something has to be done. When people start shooting unarmed school kids just for the hell of it it's a sign of a very sick society.

Of course banning certain types of firearms wont be an overnight cure for the problem. There are just to many out there anyway (even in Australia there are people with AK47's buried in a secure place).

T.A.

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Message 1330823 - Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 18:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1330788.

We will reject your definition of assault. This thread is about firearms and in that field assault means assault rifles as in M15, AR80 and AK47 plus a few others.

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