Firearms. Who or what is dangerous?

Re-Opened.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

Woohoo You get it!!!!

The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

Free men have guns. Slaves don't. I'm a free man and intend to keep it that way.......

....Why are there *some* examples of countries that have banned guns and still those who live there choose to tolerate less freedom?.......

I live in a country that has very strong gun laws but am I less free than a citizen of the US ?

Neither my children or I get groped by TSA gorillas when passing through airport security, I don't get stopped by a paramilitary force for random checks to see if I'm a "terrorist" while on the highway or train or bus station, law enforcement officers don't shoot first and ask questions later, our security services do not overtly monitor text messages and emails and I can send my kids to school without any worry that some psycho with an assault rifle is going to use them for target practice.

If your only definition of freedom is the right to have a gun(s) in your house, you have a strange idea of freedom. The Patriot Act did more to take away American "freedom" than gun control ever would.

From what I see, the US proposals for gun control only limit the ownership of military grade weapons and high capacity magazines. Apart from the jerk off factor, why does a private citizen need to own weapons of this type ?

No-one is trying to take away your hunting rifle.

T.A.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.......

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon?

A knife is a military grade weapon. They carry them. They train to use them. Tell me I'm wrong.

The last I checked a Kbar didn't have a 30 round clip or fire at 800 rounds per minute. So the Military grade weapons we not so obtusely refer to are actually high powered projectile weapons.

These weapons take a great deal of training for the average soldier to use properly. Lets also not forget, if I've failed to mention this before, that these highly skilled users of said weapons must keep that highly accurate, in the right hands, locked up in a secure facility until the need arises for it to be used. How is it Johnny redneck gets to keep the very same weapon, sans automatic ability(if Johnny didn't modify it), next to his bed. Because this country is being blindsided by a small group of gun nuts that think they should have access to anything that can fire a bullet.

First off what do you think is a miltary grade weapon? And the second is what if my hunting rifle is a civilian version of an AR platform. In my state I can hunt certain game with it. And just so you know im allowed a 5 round magazine when hunting. There is no bayonette lug nor a flash hider and or muzzle brake.......

Haven't you just answered your own question ?

A civilian version and a 5 round magazine. Therefore you already know the difference between military grade and civilian grade. Under the proposed legislation I doubt you have anything to worry about.

I'm not against guns or gun ownership. It's just like all legal issues there are are those in the US that stretch the second amendment to breaking point. When that amendment was written I'm pretty sure the sponsors were not imagining the sort of fire power that's available these days.

BTW. I'm curious. What sort of game do you hunt with that rifle and what range are you shooting at ?

T.A.

Michelle Malkin reported on Fox news last night that in New York state the Dems with their gun control laws do indeed want to take all arms from the citizen. In the law if you have one gun you get one bullet. Indeed a stupid law. While hunting one would need more then one round.

Even so, the report above about the reason for firearms is false from posters here, and a out and out lie. The intent of law is all that is needed for owning a firearm. That intent is tyranny from a standing army within our borders. It is unfortunate and a crime in my thoughts that my link was removed. Because the link gave the reasons for owning a firearm in my country from the mouths of the framers and founders. This is called intent. Of course if socialist, who in their mind want to re-engineer society must interject revisioniest history.

We will reject your definition of assault. This thread is about firearms and in that field assault means assault rifles as in M15, AR80 and AK47 plus a few others.