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Message 1329822 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 14:37:02 UTC - in response to Message 1329646.

I do not know where people get this notion that the nazi's closed christian schools ar had their symbols removed.

Those people seceretly admire the tactics but don't want to be seen as espousing the same ideal so they repeat a lie until it becomes truth, but that is the key to building a religion; the repetition of lies until they are believed to be truths.

They in fact closed secular schools, because of their belief that secular schools could not teach morals.

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Message 1329829 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 15:19:27 UTC
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Message 1329831 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 15:25:55 UTC - in response to Message 1328197.
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In fact, there is no possible way to restrict access to guns in the United States. You might restrict "new" gun acquisition but there are 300 million firearms already out there.

It will be interesting to see what will be put out there for possible new legislation; but it will not change the likely-hood of another tragic event. I suspect there will be something done on background checks and 30-round magazines and possibly a renewal of being able to legally buy fully automatic military weapons for private citizen's use. In fact most weapons out there are semi-automatic as were the one's used in recent events. They will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger--reloading with a new magazine or clip takes only a very few seconds.

Private transactions cannot be enforced and criminals, crazies and terrorists aren't likely to follow procedures to begin with.

We all might prefer an environment where there are no firearms needed, however, the cat is out of the bag.

The discussion should be on how do we protect ourselves and our children in public places from the insanity of those few people in our society. Perhaps there is no sure solution to this other than becoming an Israeli-style armed camp.


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Message 1329866 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 18:03:28 UTC
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Message 1329871 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 18:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1329866.

Why do these mass shootings always happen in "gun free" zones?

Because the owners of semi-auto assault weapons are in fact cowards.

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Message 1329874 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 18:13:24 UTC - in response to Message 1329871.

Why do these mass shootings always happen in "gun free" zones?

Because the owners of semi-auto assault weapons are in fact cowards.

No the said perps are infact cowards.
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Message 1329878 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 18:17:11 UTC

Because gun-free zones are generally areas where there will be lots of potential victims so you get a bigger splash on the news.
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Message 1329916 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 19:22:56 UTC - in response to Message 1329878.
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Because gun-free zones are generally areas where there will be lots of potential victims so you get a bigger splash on the news.


That has been suggested before.
The killers want to live in infamy.
But, wait! They usually commit suicide.
So, they just want their name(s) remembered long after their deaths.
To that, I respond, what proof do we have that, for example, Klebold and Harris thought this way. Who did they tell this to? Did they post it somewhere on the interwebs? Was it written in their journals?
Provide me evidence that they were looking for infamy, and not just looking to get their jollies as much as they could as they shot so many rounds and killed so many people.


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Message 1329922 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 19:41:05 UTC
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Message 1329931 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 20:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 1329922.

So what evidence suggests making the entire U.S. a gun free zone will reduce these mass killings?


When I am the person making such a claim, I'll provide the backing.
If I cannot provide the backing, I won't make the claim. See how that works?
In the meantime, answer the REASONABLE question I posed (as it is claim some have made), or talk about something else, instead of trying to derail.
P.S.-how's the non-hyperbolic posting working, like 5 gallon tanks, eh?

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Message 1329933 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 20:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 1329922.

So what evidence suggests making the entire U.S. a gun free zone will reduce these mass killings?

The fact that is has worked in every other country that has done it.
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Message 1329934 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 20:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 1329933.

ES you are ignoring American exceptionalism. There are people in this country who believe that we don't have to behave the way the rest of mankind does.
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Message 1329939 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 21:02:08 UTC - in response to Message 1329933.
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Message 1329944 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 21:30:43 UTC - in response to Message 1329939.
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So what evidence suggests making the entire U.S. a gun free zone will reduce these mass killings?

The fact that is has worked in every other country that has done it.


Ya mean like Mao Ze-Dong's China, Adolf Hitler's Germany, Joseph Stalin's USSR, Pol Pot's Cambodia and Kim Il Sung's North Korea?

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It's also illegal to expose yourself in public in all those countries...murder is illegal there...stealing, I'm pretty sure stealing is illegal there too...oh they also breathe in those countries. Are you breathing Guy? If you are, YOU ARE JUST LIKE STALIN, BECAUSE BEFORE HE DIED, HE WAS BREATHING!!!

Anyway, the real world outside your head has lots of other countries in them that are considered very civilised and excellent places to live. Australia for example, not known for it's Nazis, not known for mass shootings either.
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Message 1329948 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 21:43:27 UTC
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Message 1329953 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 22:10:39 UTC - in response to Message 1329948.

Have you taken a look at what's happened in Australia since they banned guns?


Since Australia introduced gun controls in 1996, after a mass killing, there hasn't been a similar incident since.

And the reports by the NRA using false data,the Australian Attorney General has asked the NRA toremove allreferences to Australia from it's reports and site.

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Message 1329955 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 22:13:29 UTC - in response to Message 1329948.
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Ya know, it's kind of difficult to have a civilized conversation with you when you refuse to acknowledge more than four percent of the facts.

Have you taken a look at what's happened in Australia since they banned guns?

Where's our Australian friends? How come you're being so quiet now?

How's that long-gun registration going for you up in Canada?

Ask me politely to turn in my assault weapons for destruction and to register all my other guns. Let's see how that'll work out.


It's also hard when you conveniently overlooked that it wasn't Hitler or the Nazis that banned guns in Germany, it was the Weimar Republic.
I pointed that out 1-2 days ago.
A former S@H cruncher, conservative, whom I am connected to elsewhere (as are some of the other posters here, people more liberal than I am independent), conceded this point.
Your response should either have been concession as well, or educating me on how I was wrong.
Alas, that was not to be. Instead, you repeated it:
Ya mean like Mao Ze-Dong's China, Adolf Hitler's Germany, Joseph Stalin's USSR, Pol Pot's Cambodia and Kim Il Sung's North Korea?

If you want civil conversation, be civil. When you claim something, and some believes they've disproved it (in this me, and I can look up the links again), then follow it up! If you find the counterclaim is correct, drop it (or even admit it "out loud".) Don't repeat your original, wrong, claim! If the counterclaimer is wrong, prove it to them. You, nor the "memes" posted here or on social networking sites, have not proven Hitler banned guns. I have seen much evidence brought against this claim. I have seen evidence brought against some of the other, similar, claims as well (though some of that may just be the dates someone was in power).
If this can't be done, well, I'll quote some Metallica & Styx for ya, and I think we know how the rest of your posting career here at S@H is going to work out.

Metallica: My Friend of Misery

You just stood there screaming
Fearing no one was listening to you
They say the empty can rattles the most
The sound of your own voice must soothe you
Hearing only what you want to hear
And knowing only what you've heard
You, you're smothered in tragedy
And you're out to save the world


Styx: Cold War

Ya talk, talk,
and get so intense
that ya almost make sense.
And that's what scares me the most.


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Message 1329969 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 23:04:17 UTC
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Message 1329972 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 23:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 1329969.

By your definition of tyranny, too much taxes. Why haven't you free'd yourselves from Washington?

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Message 1329984 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 23:35:33 UTC - in response to Message 1329969.

Guy, quoting a man with Alzheimer's really does not strengthen your position.
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