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Message 1329484 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 17:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 1329395.

Isn't a person who would commit homicide by definition mentally ill?


No, not if the victim is a conservative, a republican, or an unborn child.


Cite, please? LOL!

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Message 1329488 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 17:51:06 UTC - in response to Message 1329460.
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Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations, such as ad hominem attacks by people ...


Yeah? Find one. Red X me. Your posts have been demonstrably hostile to ALL people from several months.

... like "Sarge the Pro..tagonist" (name change number .... 4 or 5?) who project on people who spread the truth.


You have a problem with "using absurdity to demonstrate the absurd"?
Whose line is that? Hint: initials R.L.

History shows us that ...
... it was the Weimar Republic that passed the gun laws in Germany, before the Nazis rose to power.

BTW, find out what your current hero, Alex Jones, really believes: Alex Jones discusses Area 51 with "Tim".
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Message 1329491 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 17:55:12 UTC

As stated before, his cuff buttons clack against the podium almost every time he speaks. It is hard to find him a "charming" speaker, leading us to the world's end, when there's that constant distraction.

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Message 1329524 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 18:56:05 UTC

Another multiple shooting, no details at moment so no speculating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21110435

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Message 1329528 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 19:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 1329524.

Another multiple shooting, no details at moment so no speculating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21110435


It was a 15 year old kid, the only Democrat in a 6 member family. He heard Obama's voice in his head telling him to shoot the rest of his family, so Obama would have more cause to take away the guns.

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Message 1329538 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 19:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 1329460.

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History shows us that as free nations become complacent, they become vulnerable to manipulation. Most dictatorships rise gradually -- a step at a time. Smooth talking politicians make each incremental step seem reasonable, because the masses are blind to the tides of change. The wisdom of Wendell Phillips fades away: "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

Austria illustrates the power of gradualism. In 1933, it was a free nation. In 1934, its government began to centralize its power and welcome the influence of Nazi sympathizers. By 1938, it had become a Nazi dictatorship .

The downward slide began with one crisis after another. A third of the people were out of work, inflation rose to 25%, and political turmoil caused civil unrest. People longed for a leader to rescue them. Adolf Hitler campaigned in Austria, promising to solve their problems if they were annexed to Germany. A persuasive speaker, he gave them hope and won their hearts. The Austrian people voted him in.


You slipped over a major component of how he won their sympathies. He found a scapegoat for all Germany's problems. He picked on one group of people, demonised them and blamed them for everything that was wrong. He was the ultimate conspiracy theorist.

He then picked on that group and forced them to identify themselves to start with. He then insisted that they carry papers proving their identity at all times. By picking an easy to blame scapegoat he was able to promise an easy fix to the German populace.

There are tactics like this going on in the US, but they seem to be going on at state level, rather than federal level.

Some groups I have noticed being demonised and blamed for the current problems in the US, even though they actually have nothing to do with them are:

Immigrants.
Unions.
Non-Christians.

Arizona even went as far as forcing immigrants to have to carry papers all the time. I didn't hear you crying "Nazi" at that point.

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Gun control came in two stages. First there was gun registration, and then the people were required to give up their guns. Once the people were unarmed, they had no way of defending themselves against the Nazis. After that, political correctness replaced freedom of speech; taxes were increased to eighty percent (i.e., four fifths of income); the nation was filled with informers; anybody who spoke against the government was arrested; and the people lived in constant fear.

Do you actually have any idea of the real causes of the 2nd world war? From this paragraph, you have ignored the real issues that were going on in Germany at the time. I don't understand your argument that guns were why the German people didn't defend themselves against the Nazis.

The Nazi's sold them a lie and they went along with it. They were the Nazi's. That is why it worked.

It worked because people like you believed the lie. Just like you believe the NRA lies...and the Fox propaganda lies..and the Glen Beck lies.



http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/010/incremental.htm

What a load of propaganda bullsh*t. What you just posted is so misinformed, deliberately emotive...it is worthy of Goebbels himself (while we're on the Nazi theme). I love the bit at the end about being a Christian. You are being nicely set up there to start to otherise anyone who is non-christian.

I look forward to your future pamphlets on how Athiests (or whatever non-Christian group gets chosen here) eat babies and the are stealing jobs and controlling the banks.
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Message 1329597 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 21:30:22 UTC - in response to Message 1329538.

There is no measurable difference between a fundamentalist christian and a fundamentalist Islamist. Both seek to return to rules and life 2000 years ago. That is a dangerous person who should be locked up and not permitted access to guns or society.

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Message 1329604 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 21:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 1329597.

There is no measurable difference between a fundamentalist christian and a fundamentalist Islamist. Both seek to return to rules and life 2000 years ago. That is a dangerous person who should be locked up and not permitted access to guns or society.

Since neither religion existed 2000 years ago you are contending both religions want to return to a time where neither existed?
I do agree with your statement that ideologues are dangerous.
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Message 1329606 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 21:59:41 UTC - in response to Message 1329604.

There is no measurable difference between a fundamentalist christian and a fundamentalist Islamist. Both seek to return to rules and life 2000 years ago. That is a dangerous person who should be locked up and not permitted access to guns or society.

Since neither religion existed 2000 years ago you are contending both religions want to return to a time where neither existed?
I do agree with your statement that ideologues are dangerous.

They do wish to return to a rule set from then, perhaps even earlier.

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Message 1329612 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 22:13:23 UTC

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/010/incremental.htm

Kitty Werthmann told us how Hitler nationalized the education system. Christian symbols were removed and prayer was banned. Through their government-run child care program, the Nazis would indoctrinate the children with politically correct ideology and absolute loyalty to Hitler. Hitler worship became part of the new structure. The daycare workers were trained in Marxist psychology, not motherly love, for Hitler was fascinated with communist mind-control.

Really? Guess the commies were quick to organize, research and disseminate after their Bloody Revolution, then, right?

http://www.marxists.org/archive/luria/works/1979/mind/intro.htm
All of these ideas, which are to be found in Luria's writings as early as the 1920s, render him a prematurely modern psychologist who happened to begin life before his ideas could find confirmation in existing technologies or data. But it is not possible or appropriate to locate Luria's ideas only in terms of world psychology and neurophysiology. The fact that he was a Russian intellectual actively involved in the building of Soviet science and psychology shaped his career from its earliest days.

For approximately a decade following the Revolution there was a great deal of experimentation and improvization in the conduct of Soviet science, education, and economic policy. Less well known than the political struggles after Lenin's death are the experiments with new forms of schooling, free market agriculture, modern means of expression in the arts, and new branches of science. During the 1920s, virtually every psychological movement existing in western Europe and the United States found adherents in the Soviet Union. Perhaps because psychology as an academic discipline was embryonic at the end of the tsarist era, with only a single institute devoted to what was then recognized as psychology proper, an unusual variety of viewpoints and activities competed actively for the right to determine what the new Soviet psychology should be like. Educators, doctors, psychiatrists, psychoanalysts, neurologists. and physiologists often contributed to national meetings devoted to discussions of research and theory.

As the decade progressed, three issues came to dominate these discussions. First, there was increasing concern that Soviet psychology should be self-consciously Marxist. No-one was certain what this meant, but everyone joined in the discussion with their own proposals. Second, psychology must be a materialist discipline; all psychologists were obliged to search for the material basis of mind. And third, psychology should have relevance to the building of a socialist society. Lenin's exhortation that theory be tested in practice was a matter of both economic and social urgency.

Toward the end of the 1920s this discussion had progressed to a point where there was agreement on some general principles, but the major conclusions did not single out any existing approach as a model for others. At the same time, the country experienced new economic and social upheavals with the advent of the rapid collectivization of agriculture and a greatly accelerated pace of heavy industrial development. Existing psychological schools were found to be wanting in their practical contributions to these new social demands as well.

A major result of these ideological and performance deficiencies was a deliberate reorganization of psychological research in the mid-1930s. While the specific events associated with this reorganization grew out of dissatisfaction with the use of psychological tests in education and industry, the result was a general decline in the authority and prestige of psychology as a whole.

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Message 1329626 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 22:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 1329612.

I do not know where people get this notion that the nazi's closed christian schools ar had their symbols removed. They in fact closed secular schools, because of their belief that secular schools could not teach morals.


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Message 1329646 - Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 23:50:02 UTC - in response to Message 1329626.

I do not know where people get this notion that the nazi's closed christian schools ar had their symbols removed.

Those people seceretly admire the tactics but don't want to be seen as espousing the same ideal so they repeat a lie until it becomes truth, but that is the key to building a religion; the repetition of lies until they are believed to be truths.

They in fact closed secular schools, because of their belief that secular schools could not teach morals.

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Message 1329652 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 0:12:45 UTC - in response to Message 1329643.

Guy, besides women who else do you believe should not have control of their own bodies?
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Message 1329656 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 0:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 1329652.
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Message 1329659 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 0:27:29 UTC - in response to Message 1329656.

How does your response address my question?
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Message 1329662 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 0:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 1329659.
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Message 1329665 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 0:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 1329662.

Guy quite correct you are about off topic, you brought up the subject of abortion in your Message 1329643.
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Message 1329684 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 1:55:46 UTC

However, as the American Founders understood, the lessons of history endure because human nature never changed. All the human emotions are the same today as in Egypt of the pharaohs or China in the time of Confucius: Love, hate, ambition, the lust for power, kindness, generosity, and inhumanity. The good and bad of human nature is simply poured into new vehicles created by science and technology.


You continue To Be Da Man.

Death from Pseudo Science, "Real Science" and Unintended Consequences Of Technology Continue.

Human Nature. Evolution Cannot Improve It.

Can Nature Be Improved Upon? Not Human Nature. Any Nature.

There Is No Evolving, Only Replication, Adaptation and Extinction.

PROFessor S. Say: Smart Gun? Smart People? Smart Laws? ROTFLMAO
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Message 1329821 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 14:09:06 UTC

Lamestream media is downplaying the numbers at the "festivities" in D.C. (truly closer to 5 million) so as to seem less tempting for madmen. Madmen like to perform to millions, not hundreds of thousands.

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