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Message 1319982 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 22:31:25 UTC

Are you safer now?
http://www.lohud.com/article/20121224/NEWS04/312240045/The-gun-owner-next-door-What-you-don-t-know-about-weapons-your-neighborhood?nclick_check=1

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Message 1320095 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 10:03:59 UTC

It is quite possible to get a class 3 tax stamp to purchase a fully automatic

weapon in the us and to then legally own 1.

It requires a police chief, or deputy chief. Sheriff, or deputy Sheriff

to sign off on the application $300 dollars and an fbi background check

payed for with the $300 dollars mentioned above.

of the weapons so owned legally by none police citizens not 1 has ever been used by the legal owner to commit murder.

although I believe 1 police swat team member did shoot his wife and another man

when he came home unexpectedly and there may be some instances with military

not noted here.

And while it is true that a number of new gun owners who have purchased guns to

defend against violent family members have either been shoot with their own

guns or had to shoot that violent family member this says more about the courts

failing to lock up violent people rather than gun ownership.

what happened at the elementary school was sad, but had the teachers principle

and janitor been armed less children would have been killed.

The police can not be every were if they could this would be a police state.

This is not what the founding fathers had in mind, with freedom comes

responsibly,in phoenix open carry is allowed and at christmas time the various

gun clubs run armed patrols on horseback and not surprisingly vary little theft

happens in mall parking lots. legal gun ownership is not the problem illegal

use of guns to perpetrate violence is.

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Message 1320105 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 11:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 1320095.
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It is quite possible to get a class 3 tax stamp to purchase a fully automatic

weapon in the us and to then legally own 1.

It requires a police chief, or deputy chief. Sheriff, or deputy Sheriff

to sign off on the application $300 dollars and an fbi background check

payed for with the $300 dollars mentioned above.

of the weapons so owned legally by none police citizens not 1 has ever been used by the legal owner to commit murder.

although I believe 1 police swat team member did shoot his wife and another man

when he came home unexpectedly and there may be some instances with military

not noted here.

And while it is true that a number of new gun owners who have purchased guns to

defend against violent family members have either been shoot with their own

guns or had to shoot that violent family member this says more about the courts

failing to lock up violent people rather than gun ownership.

what happened at the elementary school was sad, but had the teachers principle

and janitor been armed less children would have been killed.

The police can not be every were if they could this would be a police state.

This is not what the founding fathers had in mind, with freedom comes

responsibly,in phoenix open carry is allowed and at christmas time the various

gun clubs run armed patrols on horseback and not surprisingly vary little theft

happens in mall parking lots. legal gun ownership is not the problem illegal

use of guns to perpetrate violence is.


Do you mean to argue that there is something uniquely violent about the US that leads to the higher incidence of firearm fatalities other than the number of firearms owned by its citizens?
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Message 1320108 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 11:52:24 UTC

Do you mean to argue that there is something uniquely violent about the US that leads to the higher incidence of firearm fatalities


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Message 1320187 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 21:51:50 UTC
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Message 1320193 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 21:57:42 UTC

Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

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Message 1320198 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 22:09:37 UTC - in response to Message 1320187.

Maybe the problem in the US, and other countries, is that the head of state is political.

In the UK the allegiance of the armed forces, who are members of "the people", is to the Monarch and not the politicians.

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Message 1320202 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 22:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 1320193.

Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

Just another bit for your education.

A clip should not to be confused with a Magazine.

You are just showing your lack of knowledge, again.

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Message 1320236 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 23:36:56 UTC - in response to Message 1320202.
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Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

Just another bit for your education.

A clip should not to be confused with a Magazine.

You are just showing your lack of knowledge, again.


Can you substantiate that statement, if not, then don't claim it proves anything.

wikipedia, LOL! anyone, even you can change information. I'm sure you did!

A Magazine can also be a BULDING. [smile] A CLIP can also mean ALOT of things!

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Message 1320243 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 23:43:37 UTC - in response to Message 1320236.

Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

Just another bit for your education.

A clip should not to be confused with a Magazine.

You are just showing your lack of knowledge, again.


Can you substantiate that statement, if not, then don't claim it proves anything.

wikipedia, LOL! anyone, even you can change information. I'm sure you did!

A Magazine can also be a BULDING. [smile] A CLIP can also mean ALOT of things!

Be sensible you were refering to firearms, so my statement stands.

Most of your pontifications are nothing but wind.

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Message 1320249 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 0:03:01 UTC - in response to Message 1320236.
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Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

Just another bit for your education.

A clip should not to be confused with a Magazine.

You are just showing your lack of knowledge, again.


Can you substantiate that statement, if not, then don't claim it proves anything.

wikipedia, LOL! anyone, even you can change information. I'm sure you did!

A Magazine can also be a BULDING. [smile] A CLIP can also mean ALOT of things!

My old DI would take great issue with you much to your displeasure. Of course we only had M14s.
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Message 1320252 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 0:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 1320249.

Ya, I have a 5 round clip for my AR 14 and 15. Can't hunt in my own state with it but can to the left of me.

Just another bit for your education.

A clip should not to be confused with a Magazine.

You are just showing your lack of knowledge, again.


Can you substantiate that statement, if not, then don't claim it proves anything.

wikipedia, LOL! anyone, even you can change information. I'm sure you did!

A Magazine can also be a BULDING. [smile] A CLIP can also mean ALOT of things!

My old DI would take great issue with you much to your displeasure. Of course we only had M14s.

I'm afraid that what my old DI would have done to him would now be regarded as inhuman torture. But it would have been a good laugh.

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Message 1320258 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 0:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 1320187.

With the first indication that you are not a responsible member of society in any way, shape or form ...

Let ye who is without sin be the first to cast a stone?
I wonder how many "good guys" become "bad guys"?
And why is "felony arrest" your apparent criterion for not being a responsible member of society? Not everyone gets caught. Not all irresponsible actions are felonies. Not all people "guilty" of an irresponsible behavior maintain that behavior throughout their lives.

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Message 1320268 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:05:36 UTC

No, some clips for a firearm have 5 rounds, some 10 rounds, others even more. I know of some that will hold 100 rounds.

It's a clip. That is the lingo used in the states.

I don't care what you call it.

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Message 1320280 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1320268.

It's a clip. That is the lingo used in the states.


No, it is not the lingo used by the educated ones in the USA.
Only used by those, just like marketing personel do for most products, who pick up the buzz words and think it makes them knowledgeable.

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Message 1320283 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1320268.

No, some clips for a firearm have 5 rounds, some 10 rounds, others even more. I know of some that will hold 100 rounds.

It's a clip. That is the lingo used in the states.

I don't care what you call it.

Sloppy nomenclature makes for imprecise communication. By the way the USMC does not use your "lingo", who are they to know?
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Message 1320292 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 2:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 1320105.

(quote) Do you mean to argue that there is something uniquely violent about the US that leads to the higher incidence of firearm fatalities other than the number of firearms owned by its citizens?[/quote]
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yes a vary small vary violent group of citizens are not being incarcerated

but even if they were

In fact, the CDC has released final totals for 2010 and preliminary figures for 2011.

Those statistics show that in 2011, the U.S. saw 11,101 firearm homicides and 851 accidental shooting deaths.

By comparison, 33,554 Americans were accidentally poisoned to death last year; 34,677 died in motor vehicle crashes; 38,285 took their own lives; and 26,631 died as the result of injuries sustained while falling down.

something else to consider is that calafornia and texas both are larger than

most of the country's the us is being compared to and that is just 2, of 50

states as well as protectorate's



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Message 1320299 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 3:07:46 UTC

Outlaw firearms, regardless of type or clip capacity, and only outlaws will have the type and 30 rounds in their clips.


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Message 1320302 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 3:27:25 UTC

The ban on 30 round clips/Magazine{LOL}in D.C. are so ineffective that even a talking head like David Gregory who is in D.C. can get one, AND, did so on national T.V. That would make David Gregory one of them sloppy in nomenclature, imprecise in communication, bad at buzz words, and a law breaker.

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