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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Hmmm. Maybe Glenn Beck can help me with the correct translations of late 18th century speech, instead? Certainly, this guy has it wrong. Right, rights? This is an "independent" thread for discussion of the US gun issues, created after the locking of another, and before the creation of two other such threads. The opening post is a response to something Gary Charpentier has brought up twice. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108505 Words from "conservative intelligentsia member" William F. Buckley, Jr. William F. Buckley, Jr. There you have it. Debate against your guy. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson This IS a correct quote and wording. It is verifiable. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington This IS a correct quote and wording. It is verifiable. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... What does this indicate to you? That the people and the states are happy with his reelection? ... They elected him. That is what an election is. By definition you got the president that most American's wanted. If Americans didn't care enough to go out and vote in a presidential election, I can't see them caring enough to take up arms and start a revolution. Anyone else just has a case of sour grapes and needs to get over it. Reality Internet Personality |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
I reckon we'll see if they try to take them away. LOL! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Questions. Is it A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Or A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Which means there could be more than one interpretation. And is the plural militias or militiae? Bear in mind the Foundling Fathers knew their Latin. Because the meanings are not the same. Just asking, not trying to stir up trouble, this time. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Well regulated. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Text of the Second Amendment
Malitia. I asked for the plural, don't just assume that a "s" should be stuck on the end. I personally would use malitiae, but that is probably because I was taught Latin. Even if I have forgotten most of it, but I still remember most of the rules for plurals. If you look up the original Latin. which the foundling fathers were familiar with, you will find various plurals. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Minutemen |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Law is based on intent---only. Nothing else matters. If law is based on emotion, it is not intent. If a judge interjects his biased opinion on a subject and their personality is interjected into a law, we have breach of contract. If example they base law in international law, this is a breach of contract with our own rule of law the U.S. Constitution. If law is based on opinion the opinion varies and after time, as we have now, intent is truly lost in time. So, the plural would be in this case--Minutemen |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Just love it, argue about a scriveners error before there even was a dictionary of American English and use rules invented after it was written to interpret it. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
That dictionary is second generation founder. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
You also ignore that INTENT is LAW. The ONLY way we find intent is to look to the founders. As I said if we don't intent is lost in time. To do less is MAKING UP LAW along the way and a breach of contract, that contract being "The United States Constitution." |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Well regulated. Each of the governors of the 13 sovereign states. |
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