I think some from other countries do not underand our bill of rights.


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : Politics : I think some from other countries do not underand our bill of rights.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next
Author Message
msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318212 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 17:14:34 UTC - in response to Message 1318210.


I continue to support free speech, freedom of (and from) religion, a reasonable right to bear arms (no one needs a surface to air missile at their home, I hope? Can we agree on that much?)


I have far more than the processing power of a surface to air missile right here at home. I choose to use it for searching the stars for other life forms, rather that plotting trajectories to destroy life forms already known to exist here on earth.
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 9201
Credit: 1,355,032
RAC: 1,671
United States
Message 1318231 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 17:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 1318209.

I lost a brother to suicide ...

Enough is enough.
That does not give you oneupsmanship on grief or knowledge of our country.
It'd be like a guy, who when he was 7 years old, witnessed his own mother's suicide attempt claiming HE had the corner on grief, and to talk anyway he wanted, and to make any claim he wished about the state of our country.
It's time for you to stop playing that card. Enough is enough.

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318250 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 17:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 1318231.

I lost a brother to suicide ...

Enough is enough.
That does not give you oneupsmanship on grief or knowledge of our country.
It'd be like a guy, who when he was 7 years old, witnessed his own mother's suicide attempt claiming HE had the corner on grief, and to talk anyway he wanted, and to make any claim he wished about the state of our country.
It's time for you to stop playing that card. Enough is enough.

I do not 'play cards' for sympathy, you arse. I simply used the event in my life to try to explain something about what I know regarding mental health issues.

Stand down, son.
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Chris S
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31140
Credit: 11,299,762
RAC: 19,911
United Kingdom
Message 1318252 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 17:50:05 UTC

Gentlemen, please calm down. In the spirit of Christmas there is no need for this.

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318255 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 17:53:11 UTC - in response to Message 1318252.
Last modified: 21 Dec 2012, 17:54:30 UTC

Gentlemen, please calm down. In the spirit of Christmas there is no need for this.

I am very calm.
These days I rarely get my dander up much.

I just go about explaining my view of the world and others can accept it or not.

I only responded when one addressed me personally and called me down for telling the truth.

Geez, I had not said anything at all about how despondent I wuz when I rolled my '64 Olds F-85.
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Sirius B
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 10224
Credit: 1,529,677
RAC: 239
United Kingdom
Message 1318276 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 1318210.



But above all I think we ALL need to hold our elected officials accountable. And vote them out when they are not responsive.


Best statement of 2012
____________

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318280 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:25:56 UTC - in response to Message 1318276.



But above all I think we ALL need to hold our elected officials accountable. And vote them out when they are not responsive.


Best statement of 2012

That only works when elections are not bought and sold.

____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,628,617
RAC: 649
United States
Message 1318284 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:29:54 UTC - in response to Message 1318280.

My vote was not bought and sold. I am not sure about the dubya tax rebates being another story.. or his support from Diebold.

Money will however get you air time on slanted news channels. And not just during the commercials.
____________

Janice

Profile Intelligent Design
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 12
Posts: 3626
Credit: 37,520
RAC: 21
United States
Message 1318289 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:33:06 UTC

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.





Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.





Profile Chris S
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31140
Credit: 11,299,762
RAC: 19,911
United Kingdom
Message 1318290 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:34:00 UTC

At election time. all major UK political parties are given equal prime TV air time to make party political broadcasts.

Profile Intelligent Design
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 12
Posts: 3626
Credit: 37,520
RAC: 21
United States
Message 1318291 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:34:30 UTC

Elections are bought. Look to Detroit for that FACT!

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318293 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:36:55 UTC - in response to Message 1318284.

My vote was not bought and sold. I am not sure about the dubya tax rebates being another story.. or his support from Diebold.

Money will however get you air time on slanted news channels. And not just during the commercials.

soft one.......
I don't know what your vote was, and I don't wish to know.
I do believe that most on these forums were wise enough to make what I consider the correct choice.
That's my opinion, not necessarily supported by the UCB or anybody else.

If you truly voted your conscience, I grant you that, no matter what it was.

The problem was.....
There were too many ***********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************.

I had to self delete.....because the truth would hurt too many.
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Chris S
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31140
Credit: 11,299,762
RAC: 19,911
United Kingdom
Message 1318306 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 18:49:47 UTC

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These limitations serve to protect the natural rights of liberty and property. They guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. While originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, most of their provisions have since been held to apply to the states by way of the Fourteenth Amendment.


The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.


Profile Es99
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 8676
Credit: 244,909
RAC: 142
Canada
Message 1318345 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 19:29:47 UTC - in response to Message 1318211.

What I find strange about certain people's hatred of Obama, is that he's not a particularly radical president. His policies are fairly right wing. From what I can see he's actually right of Reagan. So what is it about him that inspires so much hatred and vitriol from certain members of the American populace?

Its very odd when you actually look at what he has done and what he stands for.

What is it do you think that makes some ignorant people hate him with such a rabid passion?



One of these men is not like the others.

I can't possibly imagine what it is that inspires such irrational hatred. What on earth could it all be about?

Its such a mystery...


It's not a mystery, ES.

He is an arrogant bas***d who defines his presidency by his defiance of the constitution of this nation and of much of the citizenry he was sworn to represent.

There is no mystery here.

Who told you this, Mark? Where are you getting your information?
____________
Are you a feminist? Take the test

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318367 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 19:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 1318345.

What I find strange about certain people's hatred of Obama, is that he's not a particularly radical president. His policies are fairly right wing. From what I can see he's actually right of Reagan. So what is it about him that inspires so much hatred and vitriol from certain members of the American populace?

Its very odd when you actually look at what he has done and what he stands for.

What is it do you think that makes some ignorant people hate him with such a rabid passion?



One of these men is not like the others.

I can't possibly imagine what it is that inspires such irrational hatred. What on earth could it all be about?

Its such a mystery...


It's not a mystery, ES.

He is an arrogant bas***d who defines his presidency by his defiance of the constitution of this nation and of much of the citizenry he was sworn to represent.

There is no mystery here.

Who told you this, Mark? Where are you getting your information?

Duh........CNN???
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Intelligent Design
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 12
Posts: 3626
Credit: 37,520
RAC: 21
United States
Message 1318418 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 20:46:43 UTC - in response to Message 1318306.

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These limitations serve to protect the natural rights of liberty and property. They guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. While originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, most of their provisions have since been held to apply to the states by way of the Fourteenth Amendment.


The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.





Does not square up...

Ummmm...
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." ~ George Washington

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318514 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 0:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 1318418.
Last modified: 22 Dec 2012, 0:15:56 UTC

which would include their own government." ~ George Washington

That has been my point throughout.
The main point of having an armed public. Not to protect from without, but from evil within.
I am not sure I got that point across without being called a nutter.

Given this country's roots, it's no small wonder that our forefathers wanted to make sure we had the basic right to self defense against all evils. Not just from outside our borders, but from within them as well.

And voicing this safety check, I am a conspiericist?[sp] No, my friends. I am just a realist. And given the divide in the last election, I don't think that voicing such an opinion should be seen as being alarmist. I really don't.

It is my God given opinion that the possibility of an armed insurrection against our government IS possible in the next few years.
I am not trying to incite such. I just know that there are enough REALLY pissed off people in this country that I can see it happening.
Let Obummer raise taxes just one more notch and see what happens.
Republicans are not only right when they fear raising taxes on the rich, they are fearful for their lives.
____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.

Profile Intelligent Design
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 12
Posts: 3626
Credit: 37,520
RAC: 21
United States
Message 1318518 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 0:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 1318514.
Last modified: 22 Dec 2012, 0:27:04 UTC

which would include their own government." ~ George Washington

That has been my point throughout.
The main point of having an armed public. Not to protect from without, but from evil within.
I am not sure I got that point across without being called a nutter.

Given this country's roots, it's no small wonder that our forefathers wanted to make sure we had the basic right to self defense against all evils. Not just from outside our borders, but from within them as well.

And voicing this safety check, I am a conspiericist?[sp] No, my friends. I am just a realist. And given the divide in the last election, I don't think that voicing such an opinion should be seen as being alarmist. I really don't.

It is my God given opinion that the possibility of an armed insurrection against our government IS possible in the next few years.
I am not trying to incite such. I just know that there are enough REALLY pissed off people in this country that I can see it happening.
Let Obummer raise taxes just one more notch and see what happens.
Republicans are not only right when they fear raising taxes on the rich, they are fearful for their lives.


Think Kent State, or something like it. But much worse because of their house of cards (money matters) falls. It would be THEIR fault and they should be held for trial.

This is reason and this would be the start. I know you don't want to see it, neither do I. But once the fight starts---I have taken an Oath, it has no expiration date. Guy is right, but not fully correct. It will get out of hand and quickly so. But in the end, no missiles, no tanks and they will step to one side for the march on Washington. Will be a fight there also, but they will not be able to stop the onslaught, run is all they will be able to do. They cannot hide.

They can avoid it. Follow the rule of law....

What would be the chance of them following the law?

msattler
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 38322
Credit: 560,033,336
RAC: 651,554
United States
Message 1318527 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 0:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 1318518.



What would be the chance of them following the law?


About the same chance of a snowball with Obama.

I support the right of an armed populace having the right to defend themselves against Obama's dictatorship.

He is nothing short of Hitler........
You best all re-read your history documents. This is EXACTLY, to a word, how his overtake started. TO A WORD. You had better get a grip on this folks........before it is too late.

____________
*********************************************
Embrace your inner kitty...ya know ya wanna!

I have met a few friends in my life.
Most were cats.


Send message
Joined: 3 Apr 99
Posts: 2082
Credit: 37,735,981
RAC: 14,261
Message 1318535 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 0:51:00 UTC
Last modified: 21 Mar 2014, 18:39:53 UTC

--

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

Message boards : Politics : I think some from other countries do not underand our bill of rights.

Copyright © 2014 University of California