Same Gender Marriage

In for a penny in for a pound ....

"I'm also not happy with their support of gay marriage."

If gay people are accepted in society and are allowed "civil" partnerships and all the rights associated with that, it seems strange that one organisation, the Church, can deny them those same rights.

In for a penny in for a pound ....

"I'm also not happy with their support of gay marriage."

Yes I did say that. As I have said I have no problem with gay or same gender relationships, but it is traditionally only the 10% minority of society that wish to live in that way. As an ordinary dead boring straight bloke, I don't fully understand it, but I'm happy to live and let live.

By suporting Gay Marriage the Lib Dems are in danger of losing voters. I have heard people say that "there is enough of it about these days as it is, we don't need to encourage it." I wouldn't go as far as that my self though. Politically I think they are shooting themselves in the foot, and personally you already have my views.

If gay people are accepted in society and are allowed "civil" partnerships and all the rights associated with that, it seems strange that one organisation, the Church, can deny them those same rights.

They have no choice Bernie, they are hamstrung by the Bibles teachings which are the cornerstone of their faith.

No not fierce arguments, more a strong disagreement of views. Looking back on these few posts we are almost in agreement that it is the church that is the problem. And I accept that it is my age group that is still lumbered with their outdated views.

Oh and by the way, we have a number of women priests around my way and jolly good they are too, I would like to see more of them.

Well I guess I had it all wrong then.

I thought the purpose of marriage was to produce offspring,

to work as a team to raise those offspring to be productive members of society that has order,

and to fulfill natural human desires.

If it's purely about gaining wealth, I went about it all wrong.

Government can take care of raising the offspring as a result of unmarried breeders trying to fulfill their natual human desires.

Nobody needs anybody in their life to trust as long as government is always there for them.

And who are we to deny anything some people pursue as their natural human desires as long as it's done consentually and doesn't deny other's their rights and freedoms?

"Same gender marriage" is an oxymoron.

What about "interspecies marriage," or "objectum marriage," or "polygamy," or "polyandry?"

It's not about marriage here or there, it's about the discrimination. Do away with marriage and you do away with discrimination.

I thought it was a Christian church. Christ makes no comment on homosexuality.

Clearly I've misunderstood the topic of the thread. :( My bad.

I thought it was about gay marriage, but now Guy is going on about God, and not just any God, but the Catholic God. If someone could please fill me in on the actual topic of this thread because I think I've missed something.

thanks.
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Es, the subject remains as in the thread title. Same gender, same sex, or gay marriage. I think religion does have a a part to play because unless I'm wrong, most religions do not go along with it, whereas modern society is starting to accept it. Guy is always going to be Guy in the same way that ID is always going to be ID, and likewise others. You've been around long enough to know to post around them :-)

50 years ago married couples stayed together either for the sake of the kids, or because society frowned upon divorce. There were many very unhappy people trapped in relationships that for one reason or another, they couldn't escape from. There were also "shotgun Marriages" to give an as yet unborn child, an acceptable start in life. Today in the 21C, Society is more enlightened and tolerant of broken marriages and relationships, and any stigma of unmarried mothers. The knock-on effect of all this is a significant increase in people just simply living together.

Why get married at all if it's likely to end in a messy divorce, with money going to lawyers to sort out possessions, maintenance, and visiting rights. Why indeed. Then again pre-nup agreements aren't exactly romantic are they? These days with the laws upon co-habiting and Common Law partners changing, people have as much security by remaining unmarried. But of course, the various governments in the UK get lambasted regularly for not supporting the institution of marriage, and get accused for the decline in moral standards.

Getting married whether in church, or a Civil ceremony in a Registry Office, is basically a public declaration of two peoples love for each other. It is a personal thing, and should not be because of pressure from the family, or of one partner. That should apply equally to same gender couples, although the church teachings are currently anti it.

Just WHO here is picking a fight?

Okidoki, that is sorted out then :-)

Also, these days after the kids, have hopefully, left home the parents can still look forward to 30 years more life.
So if they now have different ideas on where their lives are going and they are married divorce is a "better" option. If they have only lived together then the divorce costs are avoided.
Of course you do get the opposite, one of my ex-sister-in-laws got married after the kids left home.

On subject, I don't really understand same sex relationships, but don't see any reason to object to them. I do think that legally they should have the same rights as anybody else, but also understand if religions don't want to perform the ceremony.

In countries like Cyprus tho only offical form of marriage is the civil license. It can be performed in church by a registered church offical, it does not have to be the priest. But if the registered official isn't there the marriage is not lawful.
So if your innocent daughter went on holiday to Ayios Nikolaos and comes home pregnant, and says "It's okay Daddy, we got married beforehand." double check.

Governments view

Es, the subject remains as in the thread title. Same gender, same sex, or gay marriage. I think religion does have a a part to play because unless I'm wrong, most religions do not go along with it, whereas modern society is starting to accept it. Guy is always going to be Guy in the same way that ID is always going to be ID, and likewise others. You've been around long enough to know to post around them :-)

50 years ago married couples stayed together either for the sake of the kids, or because society frowned upon divorce. There were many very unhappy people trapped in relationships that for one reason or another, they couldn't escape from. There were also "shotgun Marriages" to give an as yet unborn child, an acceptable start in life. Today in the 21C, Society is more enlightened and tolerant of broken marriages and relationships, and any stigma of unmarried mothers. The knock-on effect of all this is a significant increase in people just simply living together.

Why get married at all if it's likely to end in a messy divorce, with money going to lawyers to sort out possessions, maintenance, and visiting rights. Why indeed. Then again pre-nup agreements aren't exactly romantic are they? These days with the laws upon co-habiting and Common Law partners changing, people have as much security by remaining unmarried. But of course, the various governments in the UK get lambasted regularly for not supporting the institution of marriage, and get accused for the decline in moral standards.

Getting married whether in church, or a Civil ceremony in a Registry Office, is basically a public declaration of two peoples love for each other. It is a personal thing, and should not be because of pressure from the family, or of one partner. That should apply equally to same gender couples, although the church teachings are currently anti it.