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Message 1322312 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 18:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 1322304.

False. Not all heterosexuals are bigots, do not condemn everything which differs from ourselves as "un-natural."

I thought that I had made the point, that I was quite happy with non heterosexuals entering into relationships, whether generally acceptable or not. I am not a bigot, the problem is with the others that are.

Every human on this planet is a bigot, and you aren't the exception. The simple fact that our languages have pigeon holes to call others is the proof of our being bigots. We had to make a judgement to create the pigeon hole and place someone in a pigeon hole and that judgement alone is bigotry. Acting upon it is where it can get ugly. The best any of us can do is attempt to ignore classification.

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Message 1322352 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 19:35:21 UTC - in response to Message 1322304.

False. Not all heterosexuals are bigots, do not condemn everything which differs from ourselves as "un-natural."

I thought that I had made the point, that I was quite happy with non heterosexuals entering into relationships, whether generally acceptable or not. I am not a bigot, the problem is with the others that are.

My general impression of you is in accord with your description of yourself, that you are not a bigot. But that conflation of difference with "un-natural" is a bigoted sentiment, as well as demonstrably, biologically false; innumerable animal species exhibit homosexuality, ergo it is manifestly natural. It is also no more unusual (which is an entirely different category from "unnatural") than intelligence in the 90th or higher percentiles.

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Message 1322539 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 8:53:44 UTC - in response to Message 1322130.

I am sure you are aware that teachers are constantly expected to pick up the pieces of everyone else's poor child rearing, but our own children are not considered important.

I can confirm from first hand knowledge, this is sadly true.

Look, this whole thing about same gender relationships or marriage can be whittled down quite a bit to the basics. Traditional figures suggest that 90% of the world is heterosexual, the other 10% are gay. Therefore 90% of the world, or the vast majority, view same gender relationships as un-natural, whatever any religion may teach.

Should gay people have the same legal rights as anyone else? Of course they should, they are still human beings, whatever their personal preferences are. They still pay the same taxes are are subject to the same laws as anyone else.

30 years ago gay people were ostracised from society, and same gender couples went to great lengths to cover up their relationships, especially those in the public eye, such as politicians or show business people. These days we are much more enlightened, and most people have a live and let live attitude to same gender couples co-habiting.

The Marriage bit is controversial because most churches won't do it, whilst most register offices will. If a same gender couple wish to formalise their union then a civil ceremony is possible, but depending upon their religion, a church service probably isn't. If their religion forbids it they wouldn't want to do it anyway.

So to sum up, Society is tolerant, the church isn't, the law should be above any discrimination. We still have a way to go.




less then half of the states allows same sex marriage

there are churches in every state that will perform one

i don't know about the rest of the world but the controversy here in america is

not about whether or not churches will preform it

its about whether or not the state will recognize it

as of right now only 9 states allow same sex marriages

9 others have civil unions that provide some but not all of the same rights

under DOMA a state has the right to not recognize one performed in another

Rhode Island recognizes same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions

New Jersey grants civil unions that provide "all of the same benefits, protections and responsibilities under the law, whether they derive from statute, administrative or court rule, public policy, common law or any other source of civil law, as are granted to spouses in a marriage
state

that is only 20 out of 50 states that alow or recognize same sex mariages

and of those 20 only 11 of them allow ones that are equal to so called

traditional marriage
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Message 1322682 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 15:39:35 UTC - in response to Message 1322304.

False. Not all heterosexuals are bigots, do not condemn everything which differs from ourselves as "un-natural."

I thought that I had made the point, that I was quite happy with non heterosexuals entering into relationships, whether generally acceptable or not. I am not a bigot, the problem is with the others that are.



Still Chris, the statement says that 90% disapprove. While it may be 10% are
homosexual by nature, a majority(not an overwhelming majority yet, but it is getting better) could be classified as SBNN. That would be "Straight, but not narrow".

They simply have more to concern themselves with than who is in love with who.
If the people are loving and caring, they are far ahead of the game.
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